In that session, Cesaro admitting he helped transport those related fraudulent documents signed by Trump electors to Capitol Hill to try to use them in the January 6th coup plot. That's big. That's a Trump lawyer confessing and detailing a link from those plots [00:00:15] on the ground, including some in Georgia that may have seemed admittedly small or random, and stretching it all the way back to January 6th itself. Kenneth Cheesbrough, who's one of the co-defendants in the Georgia election interference case and, of course, took a plea deal and very [00:00:32] likely will provide some testimony that could incriminate others in that case, is now planning to meet with investigators in two states, Arizona and Nevada. And they're apparently looking into the fake elector scheme that was carried out in their own states. [00:00:50] And since cheesbrough. Through his plea deal had agreed to cooperate with investigators. They have now asked him to cooperate in Arizona and Nevada as well. So in a new report by the Washington Post, Cheesbrough was among 19 people, including Trump, originally charged in Georgia with crimes related to efforts to overturn [00:01:09] the results of the 2020 election. A 98 page indictment secured by Atlanta area prosecutors portrays Cheesbrough as central not just to the convening of alternate electors, but also to the strategy for disrupting and delaying the joint session of Congress on January 6th. [00:01:29] So, as I mentioned earlier, he pleaded guilty. He took a plea deal, and as a result, he ended up pleading guilty to one felony count of participating in a conspiracy to file fake documents prior to the plea deal. He was actually facing many more charges seven felony charges, including conspiracy [00:01:48] to commit forgery and conspiracy to file false documents, as well as violation of an anti racketeering act originally aimed at dismantling organized crime groups. Now, separately, Cheesbrough has said, has also been approached by prosecutors in [00:02:04] Arizona and Nevada who are investigating whether the Trump slates of electors who gathered in those states broke any laws. A grand jury is examining the Nevada case, and Cheesbrough is expected to testify in front of that panel. He plans to travel to the state this week. [00:02:22] So I'm going to break down exactly what's currently happening in both Arizona and Nevada. But before I do, I think it's important to remind you all that the fake elector scheme didn't play out exactly the same way in every state. Some of these fake electors were a little smarter, and they insisted that there [00:02:39] would be a provision in the documents that they signed indicating that their elector status wouldn't really matter until certain things are adjudicated in court. So where are the details on that? Okay. So basically, states like New Mexico, for instance, the electors wouldn't sign [00:02:58] any documents until there was agreement and documentation saying that they wouldn't carry out any scheme or be considered electors until the ability to be considered electors is adjudicated in the courts. Yeah. So first comment I have on this is told you Cheesbrough I said, [00:03:18] was one of the most important members in this criminal criminal indictment. And if he flipped that, it would be a giant difference maker. Why did I say that? Because he's the one that wrote the fraudulent elector memo. So he's the one that was central to the plot, as you now see, [00:03:37] to do a coup in America. And so I've been saying this from since January 6th for three straight years now. Now, the part that's very, very frustrating is that these indictments and these revelations are not moving the numbers one inch. [00:03:55] So here's this is as big a crime as you can imagine, a coup against America, where they have a whole set of fake electors to replace the actual electors and that that won the election. And yet it's not making any difference politically at all. [00:04:10] In the last poll, Emerson poll, Trump is up eight points now when everybody's in the race. Okay. And remember the Democrat has to win by five. So if things continue as they are Trump is definitely going to get back into office. And he's just going to wipe away all of these crimes. [00:04:28] And so all the federal charges will be gone instantly. Now this is Fulton County, so he can't wipe this away. Well, what difference does it make? They're going to really arrest the sitting president and put him in a jail in Atlanta. They're not going to do that. Well, it appears that they're you know, there's a grand jury situation in one of the states that we're talking about right now. [00:04:43] So it's very likely that charges could be filed in that case. That's the reason why they're talking to Chesborough. But the other thing I want to just note is that apparently some of the testimony that Chesborough has provided. [00:04:59] Two prosecutors could be damning to Trump, although his lawyer is downplaying. Cesaro's lawyer is downplaying the impact that this is going to have on Trump. I don't know for sure what the reality is, so let me show you what I'm talking about and then we'll break it down further. [00:05:16] According to the Washington Post account, he says your client says he briefed Trump not not just to take photos, that he was a briefing. Are you disagreeing with your client or are you saying the post got that wrong? I don't know who it is that's telling the post these issues. I know Mr. Cesaro has never spoken to the media. [00:05:33] We have a specific request within the actual sentence itself that Mr. Cesaro not speak to the media, so I'm not sure who the quote leaker is or who gave that information. Do you have reason to believe that information is false? I'm sure he talked to the president when he was there. [00:05:49] I'm not here to say one way or the other, because I don't know who's leaking it as far as that goes. Okay. Sounds like a great defense, but nonetheless, what Ari Melber was talking about, there was Cesaro speaking to prosecutors and saying that he personally briefed Donald Trump on the fake elector plot. [00:06:05] Yeah. And so if that's true, that's damning evidence. But look, this is why the hypocrisy of the establishment drives me crazy. On a day that Henry Kissinger died, and we talked about how he led to the deaths of millions of people, never got charged, no, never brought up on war crimes. [00:06:23] George Bush never brought up on illegal warrantless wiretapping, never brought up on torture, never brought up on war crimes. Rumsfeld could have easily been charged. He wasn't charged. Nobody ever gets charged. And so then when they do charges against Donald Trump, the American people [00:06:39] and especially Republicans go, oh, okay. So it's selective prosecution. And so the hypocrisy of the establishment and them protecting the powerful that have committed so many crimes is coming back to haunt us because this is a giant crime. [00:06:55] He lost the election and then he tried a coup attempt with fake electors. But now when you present that evidence, no Republican believes it. And a lot of independents don't believe it. So now the central question, guys, is when if there is testimony, if you [00:07:11] if it's televised and the American people see with their own eyes people that worked in the Trump administration saying, yes, we were trying to overthrow democracy, is that going to make a difference? And right now, I don't know the answer to that. [00:07:26] And I'm pretty skeptical that it will make a difference. And that's damning. I've been thinking about this more and more because I, I still value our democratic process. It's obviously not perfect. Every single general election is the same exact thing. [00:07:45] Both candidates suck. Who do we choose? Lesser of two evils. It's exhausting. So I get it. I get the frustration. But I think that when you take a step back and you look at the broader picture, when Americans look at what their lives are like, and as they see certain issues, [00:08:03] like economic inequalities get worse year after year, election cycle after election cycle, the hysterical nature in which they see these cable news hosts freaking out about the dismantling of our democratic process is probably something that they roll their eyes at because they're like, well, this democratic [00:08:19] process hasn't really done much for me. So I think that that might be part of what's fueling some people's continued support for Trump, despite the overwhelming evidence showing that he did, in fact, attempt to overturn the results of our democratic process. [00:08:35] Yeah. And lastly, for me is, look, as we've talked about many times on this show, there's different bubbles and everybody lives in a different bubble, and they don't know that they're living in a bubble. They all think this is reality and everybody else is crazy, right? So that's why the establishment also lives in a bubble. [00:08:50] They don't see real people at all. They don't. They can't understand them. They don't even realize that they think differently. That's why you'll see headline after headline, new shocking revelation about Donald Trump. Brothers and sisters. Nobody's shocked, right? Like you guys. Oh, this is a big revelation. [00:09:07] As if it's going to like, make a big difference. You guys don't see that poll after poll after poll shows that it doesn't make any difference. It's not moving the numbers one inch so far. In fact, it moved a massively to Trump's favor in the Republican primary. And then it never moved after that. [00:09:23] But they every time they genuinely go on, they're like, oh, this is a big revelation. Oh boy. And then 90% of the time it'll be like a tiny little thing that we all already knew. But so they don't get it. They really think this is going to be Trump's undoing [00:09:39] and they don't have to worry about Trump. Yeah. Clown of clowns. - You're totally. - Right. Yep. Right. You're totally right. Rather than giving Americans a reason to maybe reconsider their support because the other party is offering up something better that actually would improve people's lives. [00:09:55] I just feel like there's this endless effort, you know? Not by every member of the Democratic Party. I think it would be unfair to say that. But by most members of the Democratic Party kind of hang their hat on the notion that if we just attack Trump enough, if we investigate him enough, if we show what a [00:10:11] terrible person he is, enough, well, then that will persuade people to support us. But no, and I'm fatigued. I'm exhausted by saying the same thing over and over again. But you've got to give people a reason to support you. If you enjoyed this video, that's because of our members. 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