Israel's assault on Gaza shows no signs of slowing down. And just recently, the Israeli military admitted that they did bomb a convoy of ambulances that was trying to exit the Al-Shifa hospital area en route to Egypt, [00:00:16] where the patients inside those ambulances were seeking much needed medical care. They were not able to receive at the Al-Shifa hospital. For those of you catching up on this war. Hospitals in Gaza are rapidly running out of fuel, which is not allowed [00:00:31] or is allowed in at very, very small increments into Gaza itself. But here is more about that attack from reporters on the ground. - This time the. - Attack has been directly targeted. The ambulance vehicles that were allocated for the delivery [00:00:49] and the transferring of the wounded people to the Egyptian side to receive treatment at the Egyptian hospital. Now, as these ambulance vehicles were leaving the gate of the Shifa hospital, they have been heavily bombarded by the Israeli, by the Israeli drones. [00:01:04] Now, it's worth mentioning that the surrounding areas of Shifa Hospital is overcrowded and flooded with people who are just just going to buy their needs at the at this time. Exactly. So the attack has been carried out and dozens of Palestinians have been killed. [00:01:22] That's right. Not exact death tolls there. The head of the Al-Shifa hospital said that 13 people had been confirmed dead. That's Dr. Mohammed Abu Samila. He also there was also a spokesperson for the Palestinian Ministry of Health [00:01:37] who spoke more about this attack, again, on injured people trying to seek care in Egypt. These were a medical convoy prepared to leave towards Rafah for treatment abroad. These were critically wounded victims we cannot attend at the hospital. [00:01:57] Everyone was aware the Red cross, the Red Crescent, even the Israeli occupation were aware that this is a medical convoy in line with the Geneva Convention and international law. This was a medical convoy carrying patients and victims [00:02:12] headed for treatment abroad. At that particular time, announced the Israeli war planes hit the road and hit the main gate of the hospital. As a result, dozens were killed and hundreds injured. [00:02:29] If no safe passage is provided for the delivery of fuel and medical supplies and the departure of victims, we will continue to lose more lives. We are helpless here. [00:02:44] Again, the reason that these injured were being transferred out of Gaza was because hospitals like Al-Shifa are running out of fuel, and so again, they're waiting for fuel to come in. But in the meantime, if they are facing bombardments again, [00:03:01] having there being no cease fire in place, this is incredibly difficult. Again, that was the head or a spokesperson, Dr. Ashraf Al-qudra of the Palestinian Ministry of Health. So what is the IDF say? They actually admit that they did bomb this convoy of ambulances. [00:03:17] However, they have a reason, which is obviously Hamas. An IDF aircraft struck an ambulance that was identified by force as being used by a Hamas terrorist cell in close proximity to their position in the battle zone. A number of Hamas terrorist operatives were killed in the strike. [00:03:32] This is according to the IDF statement. We have information which demonstrates the Hamas method of operation is to transfer terror operatives and weapons in ambulances. Okay, I'm just going to ask if that is true. Why are they transferring them out of Gaza? [00:03:49] I'm just I mean, just wondering. One, one statement that was made earlier by the spokesman there that you just heard was that the Red cross knew about this ambulance convoy going. And that has been confirmed also by CNN that says that the Red cross, [00:04:05] the Red Crescent, every aid organization and knew that this convoy, including the Israeli military, knew that this convoy was taking place. Just take a little bit of a look at CNN's reporting on this same event. These ambulances were part of a convoy that was heading south [00:04:22] towards the Rafah crossing. The Red cross had been informed that the convoy was leaving the hospital towards the Rafah crossing, and perhaps most damningly. We've just been hearing Jessica from the Red cross, who confirmed that they had been given information about this particular convoy [00:04:38] that was due to leave the Shifa hospital on its way to the Rafah crossing. What we know about the attack is that there are several casualties, many wounded as well, and that this does appear now to have been a convoy of wounded Palestinians [00:04:56] being taken to the Rafah crossing that was that was hit as part of that IDF strike now claimed by the IDF, again, with the idea that this was part of their operation to take on Hamas. The evidence that we're getting from those sources, not just inside the Al-Shifa [00:05:14] hospital, but again from the Red cross, does seem to contradict that. So that piece there that it contradicts what the IDF is saying. But does it actually matter? Right? Does it even matter that the Red cross said that these are injured people? When the IDF says the word Hamas, truly anything is justifiable. [00:05:33] And under international law, hitting ambulances, targeting wounded people, targeting hospitals does fall under a war crime definition. But I wanted to kick it to both of you. You know, it seems like every single day, you know, we're waiting for something to subside and then something worse happens, right? [00:05:50] Whether it's the Jabalia refugee camp or, you know, this desperate attempt to exit a hospital. But J.R. just wanted to kick it to you first. It's like we're kind of waiting for the news to get lighter around this war, and it just never does. [00:06:06] I'm not sure who's waiting. I'm waiting as well. I just don't have many expectations for it. You know, as we see the acceptance, I haven't talked about this much since everything began back in the beginning of October. But as we see the acceptance of indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians in whichever direction you want to talk about it, but the acceptance of it [00:06:24] being so widespread in many folks in our country, now that we actually see some of the atrocities that happen in war torn countries and areas around the world. You know, usually we can, you know, plug our ears, close our eyes and just act like none of this is ever happening because, you know, we can go on and drink our coca Colas and go to our sporting events. [00:06:40] So as we see this continue to happen and people actually have to see the horrors of what it is that always happens, this isn't brand new, it's just brand new to our eyes and to our cameras and to the phones and the reporters and folks on the ground that are showing us all this stuff. But what it has shown us is the savage nature of many people in the world. [00:06:57] And we already knew it. It's just we always thought it was certain people and not the other folks. But this type of stuff breeds constant hatred and to the point where you can justify the murder of innocent. You know, we always talk about women and children. Well, it seems like sometimes that's the targets here. [00:07:13] And then that excuse then being from hey yo so that remember the hospital a couple of weeks ago and there's a dispute over whether or not that one was bombed by an indiscriminate bomb from Hamas or whether or not this was actually something from Israeli forces. Well, we've got several a few more afterwards or we debating about these [00:07:31] ones, because what we're concerned about is not because there's some blame to be pushed, but so that it can stop. So when we push these blames back and forth and we're disputing that last one. Well, what about the next one and the next one and the next one after that. Because by the way, as we've somehow successfully done, is a lot of people [00:07:48] to believe that these aren't human beings. So therefore the next second, third and fourth hospital bombings, oh, well, those are the next ones. Those are the subsequent ones afterwards. Those aren't human beings. And we go from denying whether or not what had happened and who was responsible for it, to then accepting the next ones being. This is what we did because we just have to. [00:08:05] And for some reason, I guess they got the gauge right. There's a certain percentage of people that are willing to accept that and go, - I guess we're just savages now. - Yeah. And in just today, the IDF apparently bombed three hospitals in total in Gaza. So again, there is not a lot of controversy here in terms of whether [00:08:24] or not Israel does target hospitals. - But Yasmin, your reaction? - Yeah. You know, we're all old enough to have lived through nine by 11. And as far as this conflict getting resolved quickly, Francesca, unfortunately, I do feel the same way as J.R.. I don't think that this is going to go away any time soon, especially because of [00:08:42] the fact that this isn't a new conflict, something that doesn't have that's been going on for several decades. 70 years or so isn't going to go away overnight, and it's certainly not going to go away with more bombings and more violence. It's as what I think J.R. was alluding to is whenever something like this is going [00:09:01] on for decades at a time, years and years and years, and in this particular case, it's a little bit unique because depending on how you look at it, you could trace it all the way back to the Bible. Right? Which is what a lot of people do. So something that's so deeply entrenched, not only with a group of people, [00:09:17] but in the land itself, right. It's not going to go away any time soon, and it's not going to go away without a lot more violence. You know, right now we see Israel is facing international accusations of committing genocide and committing war crimes. They're facing international cries like people desperate for a cease fire. [00:09:36] And all the while they're saying, you know what we're doing, what we have to do to defend ourselves. We are just going after Hamas, and this is the price that we have to pay to do it. The Palestinian people are the ones paying that price. The Israeli government is not paying that price. They're the ones who are attacking and bombing hospitals and convoys, [00:09:54] people trying to actually leave the area, which is presumably what the Israelis want in this case. You know, this is not helping their argument that they're just going after Hamas and that they're defending themselves. This is not helping them internationally to look like the good guys [00:10:09] that they keep telling us that they are. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And I do want to say that just because it is, you know, has a long history doesn't mean what. We're seeing right now can't be stopped. And the way it is stopped is through a call for a ceasefire that is supported by the United States, Israel's largest weapons supplier. [00:10:30] The the supplier that is about to greenlight even more millions of dollars to Israel that is systematically targeting civilians. And again, there is footage, you guys, you know, we're showing you like B-roll. That is pretty chill right now. But the actual footage on the ground that we cannot show you [00:10:47] because of how gruesome and awful it is, truly drives this home that nobody deserves this, that these are children. These are families that are how many times displaced, that are now suffering yet again from what they thought was a safe spot, which was the outside of a hospital. [00:11:03] But let's turn because you mentioned something, Yasmin, I think is really interesting, which is what does Israel want? What do they want to do with Gazans? What is the end game here? Well, it seems like in a newly released memo, this was according to Vice News, [00:11:19] Israel does have a plan for Gazans specifically where they're going to go after they are displaced. In terms of the 2.4 million Gazans that live there. This is a ten page document by Israel's Ministry of Intelligence, and it's dated the 13th of October against, after Hamas's attack on Israelis, recommends [00:11:36] the transfer of Gaza's population of more than 2 million people to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula as the preferred option for securing Israel's security at the end of the assault on Gaza again. So if there's any question as to what is the plan here, this is one of them. [00:11:51] But there's more. The document recommended that civilians from Gaza be evacuated into northern Sinai, where they would be housed in tent cities and serviced by a humanitarian corridor. Before permanent cities were built. A buffer zone of several kilometers would also be created [00:12:06] along the border with Israel. The government, however, has said, oh yeah, there's a dock, but like, we don't this is just kind of a vision board. We're not really serious about it. An Israeli official familiar with that document said it isn't binding. There was no substantive discussion with security officials. Netanyahu's office called it a, quote, concept paper, the likes of which are [00:12:25] prepared at all levels of the government and its security agencies. And yet it exists. And yet the behavior that Israel is demonstrating right now is that they don't just want people out of northern Gaza, which, by the way, is where Gaza City is, right. The most populous city in the most populous place on Earth. [00:12:41] But they're also bombing South Gaza. And Al-Shifa hospital is in southern Gaza. The places that have been bombed are in southern Gaza. So where are people supposed to go if they don't die first? This seems like the plan is to make Gazans and Palestinians [00:12:57] live in what is effectively a desert. Guys, there's not a lot in the Sinai Peninsula. This is just so just to be nomadic refugees that live there, that sort of yeah, they get UN humanitarian aid, but where they are displaced from their [00:13:14] homes in Gaza, which already 70% of Gazans are refugees, having been displaced from other parts within Israel now. So this is wild, y'all. It kind of reminds me of the project for a New American Century and postwar nine divided by 11 here in the United States, where it was like, you know, [00:13:31] and then we put like a Starbucks in Iraq, and then we turn, you know, you know, Saudi Arabia, like whatever the plans that like John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld had, if you guys and Dick Cheney, of course, never forget mastermind. But but what do you guys make of this? I mean, when papers like this are floated and you see the indiscriminate bombing, [00:13:51] it just kind of makes sense. This is about removal. So the idea of ethnic cleansing, of genocide, that doesn't sound so insane of a claim. The only way you can do things like that, or even having to have these kinds of plans, is to not see people. It all goes back to the same thing, which is why you'll see, you know, dehumanizing [00:14:07] posts and descriptions of folks that are victims and within any kind of conflict. And this specifically happens to be happening here, the one we're talking about now. But that's just the way human nature is. In order to be able to do things like that, you have to convince enough people to accept that these folks don't deserve anything else. Imagine. So the bombing goes down. [00:14:23] Someone loses five, seven, ten members of their family. What do you think their mindset is supposed to be? Because as I watched all these horrific videos that actually you can't really show many places, I'm watching the people who survived, as well as, of course, some of these horrific images of folks that have been bombed and killed. [00:14:40] So the people who survived, what are they supposed to do mentally? Are they supposed to like this? Are they supposed to say, oh, well, are they supposed to say, well, I happen to live here, this is my lot in life. Or yeah, my two year old daughter deserved to die. What are the options? In order for us to think that way, you have to consider [00:14:57] that they have a thought process. They have a brain that they have families, that they have existence, that they then move on from after bombs hit. And we see dead bodies everywhere. So what do you expect them to do? Do you expect it to ever end? Do you think something can end if you completely continue to bomb? Until when does it end? [00:15:13] When no one's left or when someone stands up, puts a flag on over their head? It says, yes, we accept. We're lesser than you. We deserve to die. What are we looking for? What's the endgame? And if it's not something like these memos, is it just complete and utter devastation and ending of an entire group of people's existence? [00:15:33] I don't know, but they won't answer that question either. - Yeah. - Yeah. I think with a lot of these conflicts. Right. You see people debating the definition of different words. Right? So Israel again, has been accused of occupying land that isn't theirs, [00:15:49] or they've been accused of being an apartheid state. All these different things, they've been accused again of committing genocide against the Palestinian people and seemingly without much remorse for doing so. And so whenever you see this concept paper, which kind of reminded me of [00:16:04] like a vision board when like to hear it called something like that, whenever you see this concept paper revealed and then the Israeli government says, yes, that was an idea that we had. You know, whenever there's a war, especially something like this, that was triggered by an acute attack, like what we saw in October 7th, there's [00:16:23] not a whole lot of time for response. There's not a whole lot of time for planning. We saw it after 9/11. We saw that the American people were begging for a response to the attacks that we've suffered here. And so the government had to act somewhat rashly and somewhat quickly, maybe more [00:16:40] quickly, than they would have otherwise. And they had to come up with a reason for doing so. They had to come up with an enemy, all these things. And so we got this huge marketing PR scheme, you know, thrown at the American people. You know, we were told that we had to support this because if we don't, then we don't support freedom. [00:16:56] And in the meantime, you know, I was maybe 13 years old when it was happening. And I'm like, why are we going into Iraq? You know, that doesn't make any sense. So there's a lot of things that come out after these attacks, because governments have to respond in a certain way because people demand, you know, strength from their shows of strength, I should say, from their governments. [00:17:14] So in this case, you know, Israel is saying we're not occupying this land, but we do want to get these people off of the land, however that happens, and we want to push them into the Sinai Peninsula and then set up permanent cities for them. Right. And I think that that word permanent is very telling, right? [00:17:32] If it was just a temporary thing, if you're just trying to get rid of Hamas, and why do the Palestinian people need to stay in the Sinai desert? - That's what I want to know, right? - Because they're all equated with Hamas. I just wanted, before we break, to remind everyone that during the Armenian genocide, we're talking about 800,000 people who were sent on death marches [00:17:49] to leave where they where they were living, they by the Ottoman authorities at the time, the Trail of Tears. Excuse me, here in the United States. Right. We're talking about 60,000 Native Americans from Cherokee, Muscogee, [00:18:05] Seminole, Chickasaw. The idea of forcible removal is part of genocide, and it's been part of genocide since. Sadly, as J.R. said, people have been cruel and unusual to one another and used their power in disgusting ways. [00:18:21] And so it is. This could be part of those two genocides and those two legacies, if it not already is. Thanks for watching. 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