Dec 18, 2024
Even MSNBC Appears To Be FED UP With Democrats
MSNBC's Joy Reid warned democrats that Americans are fed up with its gerontocracy.
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I think the party needs to concede.
Retire.
Enjoy the rest of your life.
What is about this guy?
Seems like it's intractable.
Why not have an AOC and a Jasmine
Crockett, who, quite frankly, are never
scared of Donald Trump or Republicans
with regular people about regular things?
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I mean, AOC and Jasmine Crockett are
probably two of their best communicators.
We need messengers to make sure
that people are paying attention
to all these hearings on Capitol Hill
to communicate to voters.
I don't agree with what Bernie
Sanders said, that we've abandoned
the working class people.
We actually are the party
of working class people.
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It's a new day in America, folks,
where you have someone like Joy-Ann Reid
on MSNBC criticizing the Democratic Party.
Hear, hear.
Now, of course, this has to do
with the Democratic leadership
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in this case, in the House,
refusing to kind of step aside
and allow for younger members
of Congress to take the reins, to serve in
leadership roles, And to be more specific.
This week we learned that while AOC
Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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was trying to win a leadership role
in the House Oversight Committee,
Nancy Pelosi was behind the scenes,
whipping up votes against her
to ensure that a more moderate Democrat,
Representative Gerry Connolly,
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who's 74 years old
and is currently suffering from cancer,
would be named the leader Democratic
leader of this committee instead.
And so I'm real curious to get your
thoughts was because for the most part,
I mean, I agreed with what,
you know, Joy Reid was saying, and I
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don't agree with her often these days.
I rarely agree with Joy-Ann Reid
when it comes to what the Democrats
are doing or what they should be doing
and what's right and what's wrong,
but I think it's obvious
that everybody understands
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this Gerontocracy situation is bad.
It's bad for business.
Like this idea that you can be dynamic
and reach a mass audience with, you know,
these freaking people that you got
to wheel across the damn stage
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or on crutches, you know,
and they, they basically gotta eat
in public with a damn bib on.
I think that's a problem.
And I'm not trying to be ageist here,
but, like, just look at it.
It looks insane.
And then, you know,
when they come out and say like, oh,
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we're the party that has the best interest
of the country and blah, blah, blah.
And they do this stuff like just,
just nakedly grab for power
at every single turn.
Like, everybody knows that,
that that's the wrong move.
What I will say, man, and if you ever
watch a Nancy Pelosi interview and she's
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talking about her machinations behind
the scenes, she's a freaking mob boss.
And I think what she would say to AOC is,
why don't you whip up the votes.
Okay.
You don't have the power, so shut up.
You got to take the power.
Basically, they're saying you got
to kill us yourselves at the ballot box.
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You know, you got to have
more progressives in the caucus so that,
you know, these freaking corporate,
moderate, centrist, whatever euphemism
we want to call these Democrats
so that we can actually defeat them.
That's such a great point, was
because so far, AOC has tried the approach
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of cozying up to people like Nancy Pelosi,
calling her Mama bear, complimenting her.
She came in, she got voted into Congress
to fight the Democratic establishment.
And in the very beginning she did.
But she caved to them pretty quickly.
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And look, I can imagine how uncomfortable
it is to find yourself in a workplace
that's incredibly hostile toward you.
But that's what you got voted in for,
and so No one is going to hand her
a leadership position,
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because right now, the standard operating
procedure for the Democratic Party
in Congress is we have protocols.
Seniority is the number one priority.
You have to pay your dues
and you have to wait your turn.
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And understand that's all about
their own sense of entitlement.
It's not about what is best
for constituents.
What is best
in terms of securing policy wins
that Democrats purport to want to pass.
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It's all about like, you know,
this person's waited their turn.
It reminds me of what happened
with Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.
Yeah.
All of the games that were being played
during that Democratic primary, not
to ensure that the best possible candidate
was going to run against Donald Trump,
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but to ensure that someone who was really
rising, skyrocketing in popularity at the
time, of course, Senator Bernie Sanders
wouldn't have a chance, right?
I remember all the little games
that they played, and it's just incredible
because, of course,
there were a lot of denials
about those strategies to essentially
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prevent Sanders from winning the primary.
But then during this past election cycle,
all of a sudden, you have
Democratic lawmakers who came out and just
totally admitted it on cable news.
Yeah. And you know what?
I think about the other side,
and we've talked about this on the show
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and about like, what Matt Gaetz and them
could do in the freaking House caucus,
where, the Republican on the Republican
side, where they could have a direct hand
in picking the freaking speaker.
Okay.
I think part of that
is their megaphone, man.
Like, they could get certain political,
conservative media entities
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to echo what they're saying.
Like, I think AOC got to get on the horn.
She got to try to get them folks
at the New Yorker and the New Republic
and the, God forbid,
The Atlantic and New York Times.
Like, you got to find a way to get
in there to put a pressure campaign
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on these establishment Dems
and just talk about like, yo,
you guys are taking all these L's,
and the idea that you could sit around
and be this arrogant and stubborn about
holding on to power till the bitter end,
she's, you know, she's got to be
a little bit more politically, savvy,
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honestly, about little Machiavellian.
Yeah, 100%, because it's not going to work
from just doing it
on the quote unquote merits, 100%.
Now, I want to go to one more video here.
And this is Chris Hayes,
also a host over at MSNBC.
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But in light of everything that has
happened over the past decade,
it does feel like Democrats still have not
learned a pretty important lesson here.
In April of last year, President Joe Biden
announced he was running for reelection,
even though he was the oldest man
to ever serve as president,
and was also clearly having a hard time
communicating at the level necessary
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to occupy the bully pulpit.
It wasn't until over a year later,
when Biden gave a cataclysmic performance
in his first debate with Donald Trump,
that the Democrats changed course.
You would think
that would have been enough for Democrats
to start taking the age issue seriously.
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But it was not.
Gerry Connolly won that vote today, and he
did so thanks in part to former Speaker
Nancy Pelosi whipping votes for him.
Pelosi whipped votes to make sure
that Connolly got the oversight job
over the young star in the party, even as
the 84 year old Pelosi is recovering
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from hip surgery after suffering a fall.
It feels like a moment of genuine madness.
Yeah, because it is.
And dude, Pelosi needs to retire.
But I just.
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Look, I think that Chris Hayes
raises a super important question.
Has the Democratic Party learned
a damn thing from this past election?
And I remember before you answer was.
I remember having a conversation with Jake
behind the scenes in the lead up to
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the election because I told him I'm like,
look, I know people are getting excited
about some of this polling and stuff.
I remember it was like
after the Anne Seltzer thing came out
and I'm like, Iowa joint?
- Yeah, yeah.
- The Iowa poll.
I'm like, no,
I don't buy this poll at all.
But in saying that, I was like,
look, there's a possibility
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that if Democrats lose this election,
it might wake them up and make
them realize things need to change.
It might force them
into some self-reflection.
It doesn't seem like that's happening,
at least not with the leadership.
It's definitely not.
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I don't know if you saw
in the New York Times either.
Yes.
Yeah, I think it was yesterday where,
the DNC chair, the black dude,
is like, well, actually we had some
down ballot wins and all isn't lost.
And it's like, cope,
like you can't be serious.
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But to, you know, to what Chris
Hayes was saying, who, by the way,
I always thought Chris Hayes
was one of the few good ones at MSNBC.
He's got some like, you know,
he's got some progressive instincts.
I've never minded Chris Hayes.
And so I'm not surprised
that he's bringing this up.
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But like, you show that picture
of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi,
like, these people are so cooked.
And what I love too, about this is AOC,
I think is very illustrative
of what's going on politically these days.
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I think these chart wielding quants
in the Democratic Party, they want
to show you their chart and be like, well,
actually bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
And when AOC held the Q&A,
when she was like, hey, why did you
guys vote for me and Donald Trump?
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Basically what she got back is like,
we believe you guys
believe what you're saying.
We like we think you're a genuine person.
We may not agree with you on every single
subject that you're passionate about,
but we really believe these are things
that you hold true and dear,
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and you're not some corporate shill
and we love you for that.
Like nobody's like,
oh, I can't this issue doesn't poll well.
And it's like, no, like I don't need
to be 95% in lockstep
with the candidate that I vote for.
But I would like to vote for a candidate
who I think is a genuine,
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real human being and not an empty suit.
Yes.
And like, who's ever even heard
of this Connolly guy?
I mean, jeez. So true.
No, that's such a great point.
And look, you can't ignore the fact that
one of the weaknesses of Kamala Harris,
especially up against Donald Trump,
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was the lack of authenticity.
And love him or hate him,
Donald Trump is authentic.
Okay. Like real authentic.
I mean, the guy can't stop himself
from talking and saying things that
sometimes get him into a lot of trouble.
But and it just just
the other day with the tick tock
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and he said he reversed roles.
He was like, yo, my son told me
I was blowing up on TikTok.
I'm like, hey,
maybe this thing should stay around.
He's just like, look, there's something
admirable about that transparency
because we're so used to politicians lying
to us that when you have a politician,
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just give it to you straight, even when
they're, like, super self-interested and
are making decisions based on themselves.
Right.
It's like, all right,
at least he's being honest.
At least he's authentic.
And with Kamala Harris, it was
the same stump speech over and over again.
She just gave it again.
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She just gave a speech, you know,
head up, shoulders back I know, I know,
we heard that a billion times.
You're not excited
about the opportunity economy?
No. Whatever the hell that means.
Well, I didn't know what it was
because it wasn't really explained
to me or anyone else.
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