When my mom looks for that social security deposit to be made in her bank account, that's how she's going to feed herself. That's how she's going to get things done. He doesn't give a damn if his Social Security check comes or not. So let's be very clear. If any of our relatives or anyone gives us this, if they tell us, well, Donald Trump's understand us, that's he does not understand. [00:00:18] - He does not understand. - So that is obviously Tim Walz. He's in North Carolina is the first day of early voting there. North Carolina is a state that several months ago seemed to have entirely slipped away from the Democrats. [00:00:33] But now, with Kamala Harris and with Tim Walz, it seems like a possible pickup. And it would be pretty important for the Democrats if they did. And so he's there and he's making some strong attacks against Donald Trump and also JD Vance. We're going to be covering all of that. The focus really is Donald Trump does not understand regular people. [00:00:50] He does not understand their struggles. He doesn't understand their life. And that should probably go without saying. Donald Trump was born a wealthy man. He has been wealthy. His entire life. He has never lived a normal life economically in terms of work, in terms of pay, in terms of the struggle. [00:01:06] But Tim Walz, I think is a pretty good messenger for this. And so we're going to cover a little bit more of what he said. But let's start off with him talking here about project 2025. But I want to be fair. Not everybody thinks the same way he do. He do. And Donald Trump and JD Vance have a little bit different ideas. [00:01:22] And I'll tell you what they know exactly. They know exactly what they're doing with project 2025. I was telling President Clinton, Donald Trump today is coming out. He's pretty worried about this. He said no one associated with project 2025 will be in my administration. Every damn one of them were in his administration. [00:01:38] Every one of them, JD Vance says. I don't even know what that is. He wrote the foreword to the architects book. Who wrote it? I've never written the foreword to somebody's book, but if I did, I'd sure the hell remember who they were and they wrote that thing, I guarantee you that. So look, here's what's in that thing, here's what's in it. [00:01:55] Take away the Affordable Care Act. And look, this is the time now to talk to your neighbors, talk health, talk to your relatives who are voting the other way or your brother, whoever it might be. We all got them, but they will tell you. Well, I just don't like Donald Trump's character or some of the things he says. [00:02:10] I like his policies. This is where you jump in and say which policies? Taking away your health care. They he he said he had a concept of a plan after nine years. Then Vance tried to explain it. I told JD you should go back to the concept because your explanation is [00:02:25] terrible about what it's going to do. You know, I think Tim Walz got a lot of criticism coming out of the debate like he had gone into the debate. Everyone expects he's going to doing media. The debate didn't go so well, but he's a pretty good messenger. I think overall, I liked a lot of those lines. [00:02:41] The concept thing was good, the forward thing was good. It seems weird that at this point, he still hasn't written the foreword to a book. Let me just offer my novel, shadow of the Mouse Thief is probably not what you were expecting. Middle grade fantasy. It's about a mouse going on an adventure, but I wouldn't say no [00:02:57] if you wanted to write the foreword. In any event, we're going to turn to Social Security in a moment. But what do you think so far? You know, on the debate point, what we saw was The misstep by the Harris campaign holding walls back. What we just saw was the walls we saw in the weeks leading up to his announcement [00:03:15] and in the immediate aftermath. He was fiery. He was dynamic. People liked him. And then out of nowhere, he just disappeared. They, you know, put him in the basement, I guess, like Biden. And they held him back. They clipped his wings. They. Oh, don't say the weird thing. Stop with the weird stuff. [00:03:31] No, this clearly works is why people wanted him to begin with. And you're seeing that now on the debate stage. This was in this period where they were trying to refine and think through every single little thing that he said, and he came out. He came off wonky. He stumbled. He was cold. [00:03:49] Vance, who had been making the rounds in uncomfortable interviews for weeks, knew how to deflect, knew how to answer the tough questions, knew what to say and what not to say in moments where he could be cornered. With the exception of the very last question about who won in 2020, [00:04:04] I think Vance outclassed him. But here he is waltzes back to his original form, which is great. They need this in the final stretch. Yeah, and way to use your white privilege, dude. Okay. Just like coming out with the BS, you know? Shit. He said it, like, if Kamala Harris had said that, I'd be like, oh, yeah, right. [00:04:23] Like super unpresidential. But of course, every time, like, you know, and this is what the right response to, let's be honest. Like I agree with Jordan. I mean, luckily nobody remembers the vice presidential debate, so it doesn't really matter. But you know, the whole like, well, we've got to play nice. Nice. Honestly a lot of the like so-called alphas really do respond to someone [00:04:40] who's just going to be forceful and tell it like it is. And you see, you know, the politics are different. But Tim Walz right there, especially very disheveled, kind of on his like, no give, no more F's vibe gives a lot of Bernie. And I think that's why people like Bernie because like, I'm just going to explain [00:04:58] something very directly to you and I'm not going to couch it in consultant speak. And I think that's when he shines. And I really do love, especially that line of, the substance of what he said, which is don't just focus on his character. Actually, his policies are also bad, which we don't actually [00:05:14] really follow on talk about. Even Kamala Harris doesn't really talk too much about how bad Trump's policies are. Yeah, it's a great point. There aren't that many of them. I mean, like certainly not that have been promised coming up. It's one of the reasons people are turning to project 2025 to understand his agenda, [00:05:31] because he doesn't talk much about his agenda. You know, he talks a lot about how scary Guatemalans are and people from El Salvador and Haiti and all that. But other than that, not a lot of policy. And so, yeah, no, I think a lot of those points were very well done. Now let's turn now to the comments Walz made about Social Security. [00:05:51] Yet? Donald Trump called Social Security a Ponzi scheme. J.D. Vance said it was the impediment or the roadblock to fiscal sanity. Social security doesn't add to our national debt, [00:06:06] and we damn sure pay into it. So when my dad dies and I'm a teenager, I got a little brother in elementary school, a stay at home mom. It was Social Security survivor benefits that kept our family alive kept us going on that. That's smart. So. So look, we hear this, [00:06:25] and this is a tough state. We know how to do this stuff. So when they tell you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Damn happy to do it. We just didn't have any boots. So Social Security is the boots. I guarantee you, if I would have had $400 million, I would be in better shape than he is and wouldn't be bankrupt. [00:06:42] Nice little hit there at the end. Again to Francesca's earlier point. Like, yeah, he really has dispensed with the like. Yeah. You know there's a lot that we can agree on sort of thing. And I think that that marries well. With Harris's turn to focusing more on Donald Trump's fitness for the presidency. How unhinged he is, how, you know, unchecked he'll be all of that. [00:06:59] But there Walz is using like he's mocking Trump. He's trying to trigger Trump, but he's also talking about how important these policies are and how both Donald Trump and JD Vance have a history of questioning whether these sorts of policies should ever exist. And we already know that, like Senate Republicans, like, never stop [00:07:17] thinking about killing Social Security. All they really need is someone in the white House to play ball. And so I think people should really be worried about this particular ticket. But what do you think? Well, let's. Francesca, let's let you go first. Oh, okay. Well thank you. [00:07:33] No, no, I always I always think it's better when you're in the room, but it's all good. No. Okay. I love that he's kind of proving J.D. Vance's point, which is. And Donald Trump's point, which is like, yeah, if you didn't have Social Security, you would be dying in poverty and you wouldn't be running as vice president. [00:07:48] Damn it. That's why we need to get rid of Social Security. It's like perfectly encapsulated what I also like about walls and his attitude here and really focusing on the substance is that room is small. I mean, it's a gymnasium of a school. He's talking to organizers. [00:08:04] These are people who, in the next few weeks, whatever, whatever it is, 18 days, 17 days are going to be knocking doors. They're going to be like working polls. They're going to, you know, boots on the ground. This is the work they're doing. So he's got to fire them up. And I love that he's doing it in such a substantive way [00:08:22] that really speaks to their intelligence and not just drawing them, which I think too many candidates do. So if I were an organizer in North Carolina, if I were making calls, which a lot of people are, that would really energize me to get on the phone and do so. [00:08:38] So I think walls. Is probably the best messenger for undercutting Trump's commitment to the working class. That's something he's wrote obviously in 2016 to victory on. And there are a lot of people who believe him because he still somehow [00:08:54] portrays himself as an outsider. And I think correctly, although he is part of it, frames the political elite in both parties as abandoning workers. And that's why you've seen shifts in places like the Rust Belt over the years, [00:09:09] and shifting more conservative towards Trump because he can exploit a working class first message, never delivering on it. Of course, but one of the one of the main culprits, if you remember that clip. He was flanking walls. It was Bill Clinton. [00:09:25] I mean, Bill Clinton's trade policies. NAFTA decimated the working class in places where I grew up. People don't like him, don't trust him. That's why they didn't trust Hillary. And I still think Hillary would have been a slightly better alternative to Trump on some things. I don't know, she was pushing the TPP that would have further decimated [00:09:43] areas like the like the Rust Belt in post-industrial America. They have a distrust for people like him. So I think it undercuts the message just esthetically. He's not obviously not front and center in that looks like he did speak. But when you see some union workers across the country, not all, of course, [00:10:01] I don't even know if it's a majority, but if there are enough to switch because they don't trust them, that's concerning. And the Democratic Party still has this problem of being defined by that more of a globalist. TPP, NAFTA mindset on trade policy. [00:10:18] Trump isn't the answer, but he can exploit that for electoral gain. And that's one thing I'm really concerned about.