Nov 28, 2023
Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon, discusses his harrowing experience of working at Gaza hospitals during IDF bombardment.
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By the time she had collapsed,
there were over 100 of these patients
at Shifa Hospital.
And we started seeing phosphorous burns.
That was London based British Palestinian
doctor Ghassan Abu Sitta, who specializes
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in plastic and reconstructive surgery.
He spent 43 days under bombardment
in the Gaza Strip, risking his life
to provide medical care to Palestinian
civilians at Al-Shifa hospital.
But placing himself in harm's way
isn't rare for this doctor.
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Abu Sitta has worked in Gaza since 2009,
and has provided medical care
in various war zones in the middle of wars
across Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.
While speaking at a press conference
in London on behalf of the International
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Center for justice for Palestinians,
Abu Sitta described the horrific scenes
at the al and Al-Shifa hospitals, which
later ceased to function due to repeated
bombings by the Israeli Defense Forces and
the restriction of fuel into the region,
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which of course is necessary to run
the machines in medical facilities.
I want to revisit his claims
about the IDF allegedly using incendiary
white phosphorus bombs in a moment,
but it's worth getting into
what Abu Sitta experienced
in regard to the victims who are suffering
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the brunt of this brutal war.
During my time at Shifa Hospital,
it became apparent that 40 to 45% of all
the wounded were going to be children.
The primary target of the bombing
was people's residential homes.
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Really by the day for day five.
Half of my operating list, which was
around 10 to 12 cases every day, starting
at 8 or 9 in the morning and finishing
at one in the morning were children.
And my estimate is that there are now
between 700 and 900 children
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with amputations of limbs, in some of
whom multiple limbs have been amputated.
On one night at Al Ahli Hospital,
I performed amputations on six children.
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His claim that 40 to 45% of the wounded
and dead have been Palestinian children
can be corroborated
by breaking down the death toll numbers.
As we've been doing on this show,
at least 14,800 Palestinians, mostly women
and children in Gaza, have been killed,
per the Ministry of Health.
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About 6000 Palestinian children
are among those killed since October 7th.
Abu Sitta was working
at the Al Shifa hospital
as it was under heavy IDF bombardment.
In the next clip, he describes
the suffering his medical staff
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both witnessed and personally experienced
during the air raids.
While in Shifa, the number of burns
and the number of pediatric injuries
were increased.
One of the most horrific scenes that.
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I witnessed in Shifa hospital was when,
after the air raid and the the the dead
and the wounded were brought in, members
of the Shifa medical staff and nursing
staff would be running frantically in the
emergency department, looking at the faces
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of the wounded and the dead to see whether
their relatives had been amongst the
wounded, and in many cases, their children
had been amongst the dead and the.
So just place yourself
in the shoes of the medical staff.
Not only did they have to provide care
in impossible the absolutely worst
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possible conditions, but they too were
confronted by the reality that they
were losing members of their own families,
in some cases their own children.
As the hospital was relentlessly
attacked with Israeli airstrikes,
children were being rushed in
with serious and gruesome injuries.
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They suffered from shrapnel
lodged into their small bodies.
Many of them had lost limbs or were
in need of amputations without anesthetics
because they had run out.
Medical machines were losing power
as Israel barred the entry
of fuel into the Gaza Strip.
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It was a litmus test, Abu Sitta claimed,
for what the IDF had planned to do
to the rest of the health system.
Following the attack, four pediatric
hospitals were targeted, he said.
Last week, Israel targeted the Al-awda
and Indonesian hospitals in Gaza's north
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and arrested Shifa hospital's director
and several medics.
And while the two day extension
of the pause in bombing
has been repeatedly described as a respite
for Palestinians, Abu Sitta said the
recent supply of medicine, food and water
did not come close
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to dealing with the humanitarian crisis.
Now, as if the barbaric treatment
of Palestinian civilians
wasn't horrifying enough,
Abu Sitta then makes the stunning claim
that the IDF has been using incendiary
bombs that break international laws.
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We started seeing phosphorous burns.
I had treated white phosphorus burns
in the Gaza Strip during the 2009 war,
and was very familiar
with the very characteristic injuries
and burns that they make.
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And as a chemical burn,
phosphorous burns burn right through
to the inner core of the body and only
stop when they have no exposure to oxygen.
And so the burns would be, the patient
would be basically puckered with burns
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that core right into the ribs, the bones.
And.
And unlike thermal burns that spread
from the surface more horizontally.
Allegations of the IDF
using white phosphorus bombs
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definitely seem shocking and unbelievable.
And in fact, I had trouble believing
that Israel would go so far
as deploying chemical weapons that would
burn the flesh of Palestinian civilians,
including children.
However, as The Guardian reports,
these claims are not new and have
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been corroborated by other sources.
Claims of the use of white phosphorus
in Gaza were also made by Humanitarian
Rights Watch or Human Rights Watch.
I apologize in October, while Amnesty
International claimed to have
evidence of its use in southern Lebanon.
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Of course, Israel denies
the use of incendiary weapons,
referring to the claims made by Human
Rights Watch as unequivocally false.
Like many Western militaries, the IDF
claims the IDF possesses smokescreen
shells that include white phosphorus
that are legal under international law.
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These shells are used by the IDF
for creating smoke screens
and not for targeting or causing fires,
and are not defined under law as
incendiary weapons, so they're denying it.
But in a subsequent interview,
Dr. Abu-sitta elaborates
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on why he firmly believes that the IDF is
in fact using white phosphorus bombs.
Take a listen.
Israel insists it hasn't
used white phosphorus.
So can I ask you,
are you absolutely certain these are
a very distinctive form of wound?
- You wouldn't be mistaken about?
- Absolutely.
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So the phosphorus will continue to burn
into the body, and your job as a surgeon
is to try to cut the burnt tissue out.
And what you end up with are cores
of tissue that go all the way to the bone.
And so the dad had burns
into and part of his ribs,
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and the child had multiple burns
all the way in his back, down to the bone.
Wow.
So that's so that is a very,
very serious thing
for Israel to confront at some point.
If it is in fact true that the IDF
is deploying these bombs,
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the notion that Israel would have
to confront it at some point is laughable.
As long as the United States
continues to provide unwavering support
for its Middle East ally.
So far, the US government has provided
cover for Israel's war crimes,
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and until American voters make it crystal
clear that there is a political price
to pay for doing so, there's no reason
to believe that Israel will be deterred.
But Scotland Yard is
actually investigating
the claims made by Abu Sitta.
My lawyer had been contacted by Scotland
Yard to be interviewed as a British
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citizen who was the victim of a potential
war crime, as a survivor of the attack
on Laleh Hospital and as someone who had
witnessed these wars, these attacks
on civilians and I, we will be interviewed
and hopefully for me, Andrew, as a parent,
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if the world sweeps under the carpet,
the killing of 8000 children in 40 days,
the world that we will be living in
is a frightening place.
The sheer number of children
who have been killed, there has to be
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some justice done for these children.
You know, I have to say
what Abu Sitta is saying there
sounds eerily similar to what we heard
from the United States government.
Not in regard to Israel, of course not.
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But in regard to the barbarism
and use of chemical weapons
by the leader of Syria when Bashar
al-Assad uses chemical weapons.
Well, it is a humanitarian crisis,
a violation of international law,
something that needs to be condemned,
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something that he needs to be ousted for.
I just wish that there was some
consistency with the United States
government and its condemnations,
rather than engaging
in these condemnations, specifically based
on which country they're talking about.
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If it's a ally of the United States,
whether it be Israel or Saudi Arabia.
Oh, the barbarism is totally fine.
If it is an enemy of the United States,
a regime that the United States is not
at all in favor of, then all of a sudden,
international law matters.
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War crimes matter,
and something needs to be done.
Clearly the United States government,
considering these inconsistencies
that I'm bringing up right now,
has really no moral leg to stand on.
But they love to talk about human rights
abuses in countries that they're
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considering a conflict with, whether it
be a military conflict, a Cold War,
as we're currently engaging in with China.
Just keep that in mind.
Keep in mind the double standards
that we're experiencing in real time now.
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Abu Sitta left Gaza nearly two weeks ago,
and he says that he feels an overwhelming
sense of guilt for those left behind.
He says the following quote.
My fear is even those
who are steadfast enough to stay
will eventually leave on their own.
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And we will have what the Israelis want,
which is another 1948.
This war is the continuation
of the 1948 Nakba.
Obviously, that fear is shared by many.
On October 13th,
Israel's Defense Minister Yoav Galant made
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Israel's intentions crystal clear quote,
Gaza won't return to what it was before.
We will eliminate everything.
And guess what?
The IDF's actions make that clear.
What witnesses on the ground in Gaza
have experienced make that clear.
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The dozens of Gazan journalists
who have been killed during this war
make that clear.
It is precisely the fearless reporting
provided by journalists like Aseel Moussa
in Gaza that help us really understand
the genuine plight of the Palestinians.
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He shares details of the terror witnessed
by those fleeing northern Gaza
through Salah al-Din road.
Dogs biting at a human corpse,
an exhausted, heavily pregnant woman
carrying a toddler on her back, a
seemingly lifeless body pushed on a cart.
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The sights of the Salah al-Din road,
the main highway that runs
like a spine through Gaza,
remain with those who have walked it.
At some point, Americans need
to ask themselves how comfortable they are
providing financial and military support
to a country
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that publicly boasts about its
annihilation of the Palestinian people.
I know that I have a problem with it.
I don't think any country deserves
unwavering, undying, committed support
regardless of what they carry out,
regardless of what war crimes
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they're committing.
And the real question is, why is it
that the United States government
is so obsessed with providing
that unwavering support to Israel,
even despite what we are hearing about
what is transpiring on the ground in Gaza?
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