Oct 24, 2023
BREAKING: Mark Meadows FLIPS On Trump After Being Granted Immunity
Former President Donald Trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows has allegedly spoken with special counsel Jack Smith's team three times, saying that he warned Trump multiple times that voting fraud allegations were simply untrue.
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Trump's former chief of staff,
Mark Meadows,
has officially flipped in
the election interference case
that is being brought forth by
special counsel Jack Smith.
Now, we have some word in regard to
the various times Mark Meadows spoke
to special counsel Jack Smith and
provided him cooperating information
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about Donald Trump and his role in
attempting to overturn the election.
Now, I wanna be clear that we don't know
the entirety of what Mark Meadows has told
Jack Smith, but here's what we
know as reported by ABC News.
Mark Meadows has spoken with
special counsel Jack Smith's team
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at least three times this year, including
once before a federal grand jury,
which came only after Smith granted
Meadows immunity to testify under oath,
according to sources
familiar with the matter.
The sources said Meadows informed
Smith's team that he repeatedly
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told Trump in the weeks after
the 2020 presidential election that
the allegations of significant voting
fraud coming to them were baseless.
Now, clearly, Mark Meadows carried himself
very differently, publicly speaking,
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and his book contradicts what
he has been telling Jack Smith,
according to this reporting.
But he even told Jack Smith that he felt
that Trump was a dishonest actor, a liar,
if you will.
Meadows also told the federal
investigators Trump was being dishonest
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with the public when he first claimed to
have won the election, only hours after
polls closed on November 3rd, 2020,
before final results were even in.
Obviously, we didn't win,
a source quoted Meadows as telling
Smith's team in hindsight.
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Now, keep in mind, Meadows is not someone
who has had any bad blood with Trump yet.
I'm very curious to see what Trump
thinks about Meadows after he reads this
reporting.
Up until now, he has only said
complimentary things about Mark Meadows.
He has referred to him as a great
chief of staff, a special friend,
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if you will,
he is special when it comes to this case.
>> Speaker 2: Helping
the special prosecutor.
>> Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah.
So, look, there's more that we have
learned about what Meadows has told
Jack Smith, including the contradictions
between what he's told Smith and
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what he wrote in his book.
But before we get to that, Jenk, thoughts?
>> Speaker 2: So, first thought is,
ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Down goes Meadows.
No, not Trump, Meadows.
>> Speaker 1: All right.
>> Speaker 2: Okay.
>> Speaker 1: I thought you were
having mission accomplished moment.
>> Speaker 2: No, we know.
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Okay, so down goes Meadows for now.
And down goes, as in he got an immunity
deal, so he's gonna be all right,
presumably.
But the most important thing is,
in order to get this deal, he had to give
the goods, and so apparently already
testified in front of a grand jury.
So this thing is locked in.
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You can't untestify.
That stuff will be used against you later.
If you squelch on the deal,
then you're going to prison for sure,
cuz you're on the record both with
Jack Smith in person and otherwise.
So it looks like this
thing is locked in stone.
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I hope that's what it looks like.
It just broke.
And then so
Trump will turn on him viciously.
He'll go from great guy,
special friend, to he was a loser.
I always knew it.
Okay, guys, this is his chief of staff.
He knows exactly what they lied about
in regards to the 2020 election and
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exactly what, look,
the big thing that we're all looking for
here is the fake elector scheme.
How much information does he have on that.
Now Cheese boroughs flipped, and
he wrote the fake elector documents.
Sidney Powell's flipped, Jenna Ellis's
flipped, we're gonna get to that next.
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And now down goes Meadows.
For the first time in a long time,
including Trump,
is in criminal trouble in
New York on the fraud case.
He's in civil and financial trouble,
and that's very real, and
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that's why he's so
worried about the New York case.
But this is the first time in
a criminal case where I think,
wow, are they actually gonna get him?
>> Speaker 1: So
a few things I think is worth mentioning.
So Mark Meadows has not been
indicted in any of these cases,
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whether we're talking about the Georgia
election interference case or special
counsel Jack Smith's federal criminal
case in regard to election interference.
So it is interesting to me that
Mark Meadows wanted to ensure immunity
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before providing any testimony to
Jack Smith or to his prosecutorial team.
The only thing that we know of
Mark Meadows engaging in was he was
the individual who set up
the phone call between Trump and
the Georgia Secretary of State,
Brad Raffensberger.
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He also, of course,
repeated some of the lies,
the baseless notion that there
was widespread voter fraud.
Now, what he says isn't the problem,
right?
That's actually protected speech.
The question know, did Mark Meadows
engage in any activity that could be
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criminal in regard to this case?
Because look, he wanted immunity.
Why would you want immunity
unless you did something wrong?
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that is Mark
Meadows and Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell
and all of those people saying, yeah,
we were in a criminal conspiracy together.
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You don't get an immunity deal
because you lied to your parents and
it was slightly immoral.
This is for legal matters,
criminal legal matters.
You have to admit,
we did this crime together.
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And here's my evidence on the rest of my
co conspirators on the crime we committed.
>> Speaker 1: Right.
>> Speaker 2: So understand,
the weight of this thing and
the crime they committed was a crime
against the United States of America.
>> Speaker 1: And its voters,
the will of the American people and
our electoral process,
who we, the majority of us,
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wanted to be the President
of the United States.
Mark Meadows, along with all of these
other individuals within Donald Trump's
team and Trump himself, wanted to overturn
the results of our democratic process and
go against the will of
the American people.
And I am curious now that so
many people in Trump's orbit have flipped.
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I mean, is Vivek Ramaswami gonna continue
arguing that Trump did nothing wrong,
that his behavior was protected
by the First Amendment?
>> Speaker 2: Anna it's
funny you say that,
because on social media I put
out just a couple of hours ago,
not knowing anything about Mark Meadows at
that moment, we've got to get every single
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Republican on the record about 2020, and
the questions have to be relentless.
And the press should not ask them
anything until they answer the question,
was the election stolen in 2020 or
was it not?
Because, look, it's a public
service announcement, in a sense,
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because the Republican voters wanna know,
too.
And when I put that on social media,
a lot of them agreed.
They're like, Damn right,
we need to know who's on our side and
realizes that the FBI and
the deep state stole this election.
I don't wanna vote for
a guy who's with a deep state.
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Okay, good.
So the Republican voters wanna know,
the rest of us want to know, okay?
So every Republican politician in
the country should absolutely,
positively be forced to say,
was the election stolen or wasn't it?
And none of this greasy, well,
I think this is a reregularity.
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No, stolen or
us who won the goddamn election.
>> Speaker 1: Right?
>> Speaker 2: It's a very
simple question, okay?
>> Speaker 1: The thing that's so
depressing to me is how many people in
the country, how many people
surrounding Donald Trump and
Trump himself are willing to
essentially lie to the American people,
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even engage in this grift to sell books?
In the case of Mark Meadows, repeating
the lie that the election was stolen.
So let's actually get to Mark's book,
okay?
Chief's Chief is the name of it,
very clever.
He's referring to himself
as the Chief of Staff, and
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what he says in his book is very different
from the testimony that he allegedly
provided to special
counsel Jack Smith's team.
According to Meadow's book,
the election was stolen.
And rigged with the help from allies
in the liberal media who ignored actual
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evidence of fraud right there in plain
sight for anyone to access and analyze.
So, of course, he's willing to say this
kind of garbage in order to sell his
books, because the grift, the money,
is more important than being
honest with the American people.
And more importantly, being honest with
the American people about our electoral
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process and
the outcome of a presidential election.
Now, sources told ABC News that when
speaking with Jack Smith's investigators,
Meadows conceded that he doesn't actually
believe some of the statements in his
own book.
Meadows privately told Smith's
investigators that to this day, he has yet
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to see any evidence of fraud
that would have kept now
President Joe Biden from the White House.
And he told them he agrees with
a government assessment at the time that
the 2020 presidential election was
the most secure election in US history.
Meadows also told investigators earlier
this year that he has long believed that
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Trump was being dishonest when he claimed
to have won the election, given the fact
that votes weren't even like they weren't
even done counting the votes yet.
And before the votes were counted,
Trump already declared that
there was election fraud.
Now Meadows also did, of course,
help Trump spread the big lie.
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Meadows has said publicly that he believed
the number of allegations still
warranted further investigation and
that he hadn't reached a conclusion on the
election overall by late December of 2020.
And on January 2, 2021, Meadows helped
set up that now infamous phone call
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between Donald Trump and the Georgia
Secretary of State, Brad Raffensberger.
Now, while speaking with investigators
Meadows was specifically asked
if Trump ever acknowledged to him that
he had, in fact, lost the election.
Meadows told investigators that, no,
he had never heard Trump say that.
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Now Meadows also told Smith's
investigators that around that time,
there were many times he wanted to resign
over concerns that the way certain
allegations of fraud were being
handled could have a negative impact.
But he ultimately didn't leave because
he wanted to help get a load of this,
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ensure a peaceful transfer of power, which
is why he then proceeded to publish that
garbage book where he made garbage
baseless claims, of course, all right?
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, okay,
we halfway jokingly,
sometimes we'll say hashtag Cenk
was right, hashtag Anna was right.
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In this case, hashtag Cenk and Anna
were right, so what were we right about?
First we told you Mark Meadows is probably
flipped, you remember us telling you that?
Why did we say that,
cuz he had a conspicuous silence.
While everybody's speaking out, I didn't
do it, we're flipping, etc., you couldn't
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find Mark Meadows if you knew the codes
of the Witness Protection Program, right?
You just could not find him,
he would not say anything, and so
that was a glaring thing.
And then when in Islander,
Fani Willis indicted him,
he seemed like shocked and so green,
like what, you can't do that.
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And that to us seemed to indicate he's
already got a deal with Jack Smith, that's
why he's like, what the hell, why are you
indicting me in that letter, right?
And so but apparently they did
a good job of not communicating, and
so Fani Willis didn't know that.
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So now, of course, this will change
what happens in Georgia as well.
And then the second thing is,
you could tell from the testimony of
everyone else that we found out in
the January 6 hearings that Meadows was
super nervous about the whole thing.
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He just felt like it looks like,
based on the testimony,
that he was stuck in the middle.
He kept getting yelled at by Trump,
and he hated being yelled at, and so
he was intimidated by that
which made me laugh and laugh,
because this is one of the tough
guys of the Freedom Caucus, right?
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>> Speaker 1: Yeah, chief's chief.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, chief's chief,
right, and then Trump goes,
why didn't you cheat more for me?
And he's like,
please don't yell at me, right?
On the other hand, when the others are
saying at one of the most important parts,
hey, Mark, they're saying that they
wanna execute the vice president,
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tell the president.
And he's like, I already did,
and he doesn't mind.
>> Speaker 1: Yeah, actually,
let me get to that.
So, Meadows does shed light on what Trump
was saying behind the scenes as the riots
were taking place on January 6.
Sources said Meadows confirmed that at
one point, as the riots were unfolding,
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Trump got on a call with then
House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy and
told McCarthy, I guess these people
are more upset than you are.
Meaning, like, hey, McCarthy, why aren't
you rioting along with these lunatics?
However, according to what Meadows told
investigators, Trump seemed to grow
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increasingly concerned as he learned more
about what was transpiring at the Capitol.
And Trump was visibly shaken when he
heard that someone had been shot there.
So, of course, he's referring to the
woman, the Trump supporter who got shot,
the one person who was shot and killed
on that day, tragically, Ashley Babbitt.
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Really tragic that that happened to her,
she was lied to, and
she felt that the election had been
stolen from her preferred candidate,
a well known narcissist and liar, and she
lost her life as a result of that, I mean,
absolutely tragic.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, so,
look guys, now, note of caution.
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So, I think I'm justifiably very
excited about this news because we
wanna get to the truth, and
we don't want another coup in America, and
we wanna protect our democracy, and
these sons of bitches try to coup.
And the fact that they are now turning
on each other is the greatest news you
could hope for.
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Now, the caveat, what Anna said there
in the middle is very important,
he apparently did not say that he heard
Trump say, yeah, I know I lost, right?
Because if he had that, that would be
huge because then you have intent to lie,
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right, intent to deceive.
Now, Trump still has the excuse, at least
as far as Mark Meadows is concerned, and
as far as what we know about his
testimony, that like, well, golly gee,
every other rational person on
the planet knew, but I'm a moron, so
I didn't know at all.
I thought the mules and the Krakens really
had stolen the vote and Hugo Chavez's
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ghost was the one that stole the election,
I'm the dumbest guy in America.
He still has that defense left,
and it might work.
>> Speaker 1: Look, it really depends
because think about it in other contexts.
So, if you are, let's say,
speeding, you're going 50
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miles an hour in a 35 miles per hour zone,
the cop pulls you over.
It's not a defense to simply say,
I didn't know that the speed limit
here was only 35 miles per hour.
You're still gonna get a citation,
you're still gonna get a ticket for that.
In the case of Donald Trump, for
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me, what I think is the most important
is to see if there's any evidence
of Trump himself engaging in
plotting that fake elector scheme.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and so
that's what the trial shows, okay?
So now let me correct a couple of
mythologies that the right wing
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have, okay?
So first they're like, you shouldn't like
Vivek Ramaswami was on this show saying
you shouldn't even try him.
Well, then how do we know if he
was involved in the plot or not?
We have overwhelming public evidence,
right, and we know that there was a fake
electoral scheme and
we know that they wrote emails about it.
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But Donald Trump doesn't read,
I'm not sure he's even capable of reading,
and so right now would I convict
him if I was on the jury?
I don't know,
I didn't see all the evidence, right,
I would have to see
the evidence from all these.
Right now we know that
these people flipped, but
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we don't know the details
of all of their testimony.
And remember, I'm not gonna be on
the jury, twelve random people
are going to be on the jury, including
some that might be Republicans, and
some that might be independents, and
that might be much more open to Trump.
You have to convince them, and you have to
convince them beyond a reasonable doubt.
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So, I don't want people getting
carried away and thinking,
that city's in an orange jumpsuit
two weeks from now, no way, no way.
There's a long way to go before that.
And remember, even if he gets convicted,
he's gonna appeal and appeal and
appeal and it's gonna take a long time.
And by that time he might have
already won the election.
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I'm giving you a thousand caveats,
cuz they're important and they're real and
you have to be honest with your
audience and with everybody.
So, you know what the real facts are.
But guys, the mythology of the right
wing is that you shouldn't
even try him because it's deep state to
actually go through a justice system.
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No, the justice system is testing
whether you did it or you didn't do it.
It's not prejudging, it judging.
It is exactly what happens in
the justice system, right?
So, saying that he shouldn't face charges
is absurd given how many co conspirators
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have said, yes,
we committed a crime together and
he was the leader of that crime.
Okay, so
then the second thing is they're like.
Well, you didn't verify the vote, so
we think the election was stolen.
No, brothers and sisters.
I know a lot of Republicans
don't know this and
this is gonna go to one of
the most important points.
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A lot of Republicans think that
the vote was never verified.
That they never did a recount or
a hand recount.
No, all those states did
two to three recounts,
including in Georgia, a hand recount.
They could not have recounted an election
more than they counted this one and
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recounted it and verified it, right?
And then Trump had 60 cases and
he didn't present one piece of evidence,
not one piece of evidence.
And a lot of Republican voters have.
I know it seems unbelievable, but
they genuinely don't know that.
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They think, no, the judges were
intimidated, it was procedural, blah,
blah, blah.
No way, no way, okay?
So, now you're gonna have a trial where
they're gonna get to see this evidence.
And it's to some degree.
And it's gonna put the Republican
voters to a decision.
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What do you guys wanna do?
All of these people who are right wing
Republicans are telling you he did this.
There was never any evidence.
We definitely lost the election and
he wanted to do a fake elector
plot to steal the election.
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Okay?
And then Republican voters can say,
I don't care, I don't care,
I don't believe anyone.
If Jesus Christ himself came down here and
told me that Trump was the one
trying to steal election.
I wouldn't believe him and
I'd spit in his face.
Trump is my messiah.
Okay, then you made a decision, right?
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Or you're gonna say, or by the way,
you could say, hey, you know what?
I know we were stealing the election.
So, what?
We should rule.
I don't care if we won or not.
Okay, then at least you made a decision,
okay?
But, there is some chance
that a lot of Republicans and
I think a lot of people
would be shocked by this.
Anna's been saying this all along.
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I've come to believe it, that
a significant chunk of even Republicans,
let alone independents.
Will go, well, I didn't know that, really?
No, I'm not for that.
I don't wanna coup.
That's crazy.
Yeah, and look, it really depends on
whether or not the individual in question
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looking at the trial and looking at the
evidence is a good faith, honest actor.
Because, look, I saw what came out
during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
And I changed my mind about it based on
evidence that came out in the context of
that trial.
That is what, in my opinion,
honest individuals do.
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They look at new information,
new evidence, and they change their minds.
Now, the question is, are the news
organizations that Republican voters
consume going to cover all of these
various individuals flipping on Trump?
Are they gonna cover the evidence
that will come out during the trial?
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We'll see.
We've seen them evade that
type of news in the past, and
I wouldn't be surprised
if they do it again.
>> Speaker 1: And look, like I said,
you got to put every Republican
politician to a decision.
You also got to put
Fox News to a decision.
Everyone in news should say, look,
if you don't cover this honestly and
tell people what's actually
happening in the trial.
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Not tell them what to think about
what's happening in the trial, but
just the facts of the trial, right?
Then no one's ever gonna
call you Fox News anymore.
You can call yourself whatever the hell
you like, but we're never gonna say news.
So, the Fox Entertainment Organization or
the Fox propaganda, whatever,
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they'll never say propaganda.
But, they could say
Fox Entertainment Division has
decided to entertain their audience
with lies about the trial.
But, they're certainly not in the news
business, because they're lying 24.
They already paid $800 million for lying.
And God MAGA, guys,
you think Rupert Murdoch?
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The guy who's slightly to
the right of Attila the Hun,
would have paid $800 million
if they weren't lying?
And one last thing.
Trump, in all these trials,
will get to present his evidence.
And if he has the Krakens and the mules.
And he doesn't bring them forward in
the trial, you should be living at Trump.
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You had it, right?
If you're a MAGA,
you think that was stolen from you, great.
You should be thrilled about the trials,
cuz Trump will get to prove it.
If he doesn't [LAUGH] and
that still doesn't convince you.
Then, okay, then you're hopeless and
you're an occult.
But, let's see.
Let's give them an opportunity.
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Let's give them an opportunity to see
the evidence and change their mind.
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