Would you support a pardon or a commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell, a convicted sex trafficker? Well, I mean, obviously that's a decision of the president. He said he had not adequately considered that. I won't get in front of him. That's not my lane. If you're asking my opinion, [00:00:17] think 20 years was a pittance. I think she should have a life sentence at least. Yeah, so you think that she should be in jail? So you don't think that she should be pardoned? Except that you don't want to say that. It's not your lane. What do you mean it's not your lane? You're [00:00:33] the goddamn speaker of the house. Speaking is not just your job, it's the title. Also, and I guess I could be wrong, but I look at a photo of you and one would initially believe you're a goddamn grown ass man. You're a grown ass man and you can't tell me if you think [00:00:51] that one of the most notorious sex predators in American history should be behind bars. Not only that, I'm sure you've got a Bible on your person right now. You damn sure got a cross somewhere and none of that, your employment. You're being a man, you're being a strong Christian [00:01:10] with deeply held religious values. None of that combined gives you the cojones necessary to say, obviously you cannot pardon this horrendous sex predator who has never shown any remorse whatsoever for all of the things that she did. The horrible harms that she has put on so [00:01:25] many people. I don't want to get out in front of him. It's not my lane. Then what lane do you have? You have no lane. You have nothing, you have no spine, you have no balls, you're nothing, you're a tiny little Pinocchio boy. That's all that you are. And the reason that [00:01:41] he's saying that isn't because he thinks it's maybe reasonable for her to be released. I don't believe that he is that unrepentantly evil. I think he's quite evil. I don't think he's that evil. It's not that. It's because he thinks there is a chance Trump will do it. If he knew that Trump would never do such an absurd, insane thing as pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. [00:02:02] then he would be confident that it is his lane. And he would say, no, of course we shouldn't do that and the president would never do that. But he wants to leave himself the wiggle room so that when Trump does an insane and evil thing, Mike Johnson doesn't look like he was in the moral, like on the other side of the line. Which by the way, talk to Jesus about that posturing. [00:02:23] I'm sure they're gonna love that if any of your religious beliefs end up being true. And so he has to say that because Trump might actually pardon Ghislaine Maxwell, which again, Seems insane, but Trump isn't even alone in thinking that it might be a good idea. According to James Comer, House Oversight committee members are split on the idea. Some of them think it's [00:02:42] a good idea. He says my committee split on that. uh He wouldn't want that to do it. He thinks it would look bad. So he's actually more of a leader there than Mike Johnson. He says honestly, other than Epstein, the worst person in this whole investigation is Maxwell, which is mostly true. I think there's a case to be made for Donald Trump, but yeah, she knows she does [00:02:59] look really bad. And so who's split on it? Well, the Democrats say every single one of them is against it. So some of the Republicans are for it. And weirdly, they don't want to identify themselves. They've come to this momentous conclusion that we should just let [00:03:15] her free. We should release her to go sexually assault more people, traffic more girls to rich, grotesque perverts. And they for some reason don't want to their name on that idea. It makes some sense actually. And why would they do this? Well, in exchange for information, [00:03:33] I suppose. She apparently did something super suspicious. About one week after Melania Trump, totally out of the blue, decided to bring up Epstein. Remember that weird press conference of hers, which wasn't a press conference because she didn't answer any questions because she didn't want to answer any questions? Yelena Maxwell sent a USB drive to the Justice Department. [00:03:52] So uh the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, wrote a letter to a judge saying that they had received the package, asked the court to give the government until June 5th to file a response to the USB drive. He didn't outline the details of what was on it, but [00:04:08] noted that her arguments appear to be duplicative and meritless. So I guess maybe there was nothing serious on the USB drive. But what would be on the USB drive that she thinks she could send in that would get her her freedom, that wouldn't get her her freedom until Melania [00:04:28] Trump did her little press conference and said, no, we weren't set up by Epstein and Gile Maxwell. I have no relationship with them. I don't know anything about them. And all of a sudden, Gile Maxwell thinks she has leverage. Interesting that. Yaz, what do you think? I was making [00:04:47] sure I wasn't muted. No, I think this is all very interesting. The fact that we have members of our Congress who are even- Not so confident that the president is not going to pardon someone as notorious as Ghislaine Maxwell. That is ridiculous, especially considering again, how [00:05:04] unpopular she is with the American people. How does he think this is gonna go over with the American people? And that does matter. Right now his approval ratings, Donald Trump's approval rating is in. the toilet. It's bad, right? It's approaching George W Bush levels from [00:05:21] when he decided to invade Iraq. It's about as low as it ever goes for a president at this point. And that does matter because the members of Congress who stick by him, they're at risk of losing their seats, right? The midterms are coming up and it already is not looking good [00:05:36] for the Republicans. For any of them to even entertain the idea that not or that pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell is good, would be a good thing for anyone. That is not going to reflect well on them in the midterms on the Republican Party in general. And also Ghislaine Maxwell, is [00:05:55] somebody who even outside of the government, right? Just as in her. capacity as the mistress or whatever she was for Jeffrey Epstein. She did some heinous things, right? It isn't just that she enabled Jeffrey Epstein, but she absolutely did. But she herself is a terrible person, [00:06:13] right? This is somebody who we celebrate when she finally went to prison. But then even when she was in this high security prison, then she got moved to this much lower security prison in Texas. It was like we were seeing Jeffrey Epstein all over again whenever he was put [00:06:29] in jail and then he was allowed 12 hours release every day to go work, whatever that even means, to go continue doing his work. And I mean, I guess we do know what that means now. So it's really ridiculous that we're still repeating these patterns that we haven't learned anything [00:06:45] the way that we should have been learning things that the people who we've put in power are enabling these things and continue to do so even in the face. of mass public opposition. They don't care about it, but they really should. And Trump obviously is scared of his own stuff [00:07:02] coming out. He's obviously scared of things coming out that will affect people who he is close with, other billionaires, etc. But there's no way this goes over well for them. Yeah, I don't think it'll go over well. my lingering, I don't know, 2015 era gut reaction is, well, [00:07:24] this would be it. You can't do that. You'll lose everybody. And I think like, I don't know. It's-. A lot has happened since 2015. It's a different world now that we live in. Look at just the pardons he's are. First of all, the fact that he's obviously covering it up. Look [00:07:41] at the other pardons. He released all of the insurrectionists. He released people who tried to beat cops to death, who succeeded in killing cops. He just released them. And as far as I could tell, didn't suffer any consequences from it. It's the most mountain in the world. And then they've gone on to commit many other crimes. They've literally raped children. He [00:07:58] made the rape of children possible by releasing them into the world. And we covered it, but I don't know how many people even cared. Yeah, a lot of these stories don't make it into the mainstream news anyway. So I mean, it is good that we're telling you even this glane angle of this story I haven't seen covered very much. So I'm glad that we're talking about it here. [00:08:17] But how many people watch shows like this one compared to people who watch MSNOW or CNN or even Fox News. here, I like to believe that here at this point in 2026, that all these [00:08:32] little things that have gone under the radar, have been building up slowly. And then people are finally going to hit a tipping point wherever, whenever that is. For the Republicans on the right, it was when Donald Trump decided to post himself as Jesus. That was what did it [00:08:47] for a lot of them. You just never know what the thing is going to be. And a lot of times it's like, okay, I can't do this anymore. So hopefully people are at that point now. Hopefully, I mean, we're- they're getting there. Yeah, well, you mentioned the polling, we're to cover the polling later. Hopefully we get to that point.