Everybody goes, yeah, it's just a part of war. What's the big deal? What's the big deal? My feelings, my feelings? No, I don't care about your feelings. I don't care about them at all. I care about ending that goddamn genocide and ending the funding to this state that is causing massive damage across the world and to America. [00:00:18] So no Tucker Carlson. It is not an excuse to go silent on Candace's targeting of tpusa, or to mirror her lines of questioning because you love Candace personally. The same holds true of Megyn Kelly, a person I consider a friend. Characterizing Candace as a young mother and thus shying away from condemning [00:00:36] her actions or fibbing about them, that is a nonstarter. Meghan Markle is a young mother. Ilhan Omar is a young mother. That doesn't matter. After being singled out by Ben Shapiro at Turning Points America Fest last week, [00:00:53] Megyn Kelly fired back. And not just at Shapiro. Barry Weiss also was collateral damage and we'll get into more. But this civil war on the right just keeps growing, with new factions [00:01:08] and new people joining the fray. What do you make of it? It's beautiful. It's the Great awakening. Our right wing brothers and sisters are finally beginning to see what we've seen for a long time. Israel is not your friend. And, And I think that this one is very critical because the Megyn [00:01:28] Kelly flipping on Israel first is a very important domino. The the the dam is broken. Let's talk about what happened here and then the consequences of the dam breaking on Israel. [00:01:43] So Kelly talked to Vanity Fair about the ongoing civil war on the right, the on stage spats at America Fest and the future of the MAGA movement. On that attack from Ben Shapiro, Kelly responded in her own appearance at Tpusa Am Fest, [00:01:59] I find it kind of funny that Ben thinks he has the power to decide who gets excommunicated from the conservative movement. It reminded me when the girl who was the head of our middle school chorus told me she was going to take all of my friends away from me. [00:02:16] She compared the demand that she condemn owns to progressive purity tests, saying, I never posted the black square and I never raised my fist at a restaurant. And I'm certainly not going to condemn the people Ben Shapiro demands I condemn [00:02:32] in order to be in his imaginary club. Denounce. Denounce. Condemn. Disassociate. Blank you. She continued taking shots at Shapiro for being Israel first. She understands that Shapiro would consider such a charge anti-Semitic. [00:02:51] And I'm sorry, but his behavior has proven that charge to be correct. Why would you divide the American conservative movement which was gelling, which was becoming much more cohesive for a moment after Charlie died over Israel. Shortly after his speech, newly minted CBS editor in chief Barry Weiss posted about [00:03:12] Ben's comments on X and celebrated them. Kelly took notice on X. She criticized Weiss for knowing nothing about television and to Vanity Fair. She added, it's this very loud group of pro-Israel activists that is trying [00:03:29] to make this the litmus test about whether you get to call yourself a conservative. And they lack standing to do that. Barry, in particular, has made her career on the anti cancel culture thing. Meanwhile, she's never been canceled and she's basically supporting Ben's [00:03:45] attempt to cancel me from the conservative movement, of which she's not a part. What Charlie and I saw at the same time was that the country is turning, Kelly said. And young Republicans are turning on Israel. She argued that figures like Shapiro and Weiss are actually fueling the rise [00:04:02] of anti-Semitism through their attempts to censor criticism of Israel. They are making anti-Semites, she said. Tucker is not making anti-Semites. They are jenk. What do you make of her comments here? I only agree about 100%. [00:04:18] So, there's no one that's creating more anti-Semitism than Benjamin Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir or Smotrych, and then that's internationally. And, by the way, the ADL puts out a comical statement about you're not allowed to blame Jews for the rise of anti-Semitism. [00:04:36] So even if there's a Jewish leader who's committing a genocide and killed 20,000 children, if you say that that's what's causing people to hate Israel or Jewish people, then you're, wing ning ning ning ning, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. [00:04:52] You did one of the 258 tropes we have No. Yeah. ADL is now a pro bigotry movement, trying to blame Muslims for everything so that Israel can continue to attack their neighbors and ADL can justify it. [00:05:08] So it's turned into the opposite of what it was trying, what it claimed to do. And of course, as it turns out, with a lot of the things that were pro-Israel, it was never again bigotry for us, bigotry for you 24 over seven. [00:05:23] Right. So anyways, he, is did Netanyahu's cause, anti-Semitism to go through the roof in the world? Of course he did. You'd have to be an idiot not to see that. You'd have to be the blindest most ignorant person in the entire planet not to see that. [00:05:41] Okay, so now here at home, when you have Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and Barry Weiss going, if any of you criticize Israel, denounce cancel. All right. Well, how are people not going to hate you? It's like, look. [00:05:57] And then when you get personally attacked, if you don't, you've never felt it. You don't know what it feels like, right? And apparently Megyn Kelly had never felt it, which is kind of amazing to me. But so she begins to get this bullying, probably about 2% of what we've [00:06:12] gotten through these last two years. And she's like, whoa, what is this? Who are these thugs telling me you can't say that word? You can't say that. Shut up. You can't talk to that person. You can't do anything. Shut up. Better support Israel. Right. Well, she's saying, like a lot of right wingers natural reaction is. [00:06:31] Who made you the boss of me? Just tell me who the name of the person is. Who made you the boss of me? And then they'll say, Trump, chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp. You can't say we're the boss of you, but we're the boss of you. Shut up and don't ever talk to him. Don't ever talk to her. [00:06:47] Denounce him. And who? Stop giving me orders, brother. You're not the Ben Shapiro is not the boss of any of us. If he gives you an order, you should laugh your ass off at him. And so. No. Shapiro is now a laughing stock in right wing circles and in all circles. [00:07:07] And Megyn Kelly is 100% right. He can take his midget horse and ride off into the sunset because nobody's interested in his pro-Israel BS anymore. So that's my view on it. What do you think? Oh, I think the fracturing on the right is interesting. [00:07:23] Look, you can't deny I think our conversations on this topic have gotten heated in the past. But one thing I'll say there is a split now, and I think it reflects how undeniable the horrors in Gaza are. [00:07:39] I have talked to multiple conservatives that I know who have changed their minds on Israel. I think that's a good thing. What I'm worried about is how sometimes the conversations about that split [00:07:55] can get distorted and also ignore the long term risks of people weaponizing that, or trying to turn that split into something else. You know, I think we both agree Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic. He's somebody who's used that to peddle anti-Semitism. [00:08:13] Myron Gaines, the guy who runs a podcast out of Florida, he's popular on YouTube. Same thing. He was walking around America Fest and is in pictures with America Fest speakers wearing a hoodie mocking the Holocaust. [00:08:30] So, like, we can't deny that there is a very real problem even in that movement, even at that event of people who are openly anti-Semitic and using this split to push anti-Semitism. [00:08:45] I think when we get into conversations around what creates anti-Semitism, it's important for us on the left who denounce all forms of bigotry and hate to acknowledge and point out and try to be clear in our messaging to those people. [00:09:01] Hey, the problem here, the problem in Gaza is not Jewish people. It is the Israeli government. Those you could you can clearly distinguish those. There are people who are Jewish who are firmly opposed to what's happening. [00:09:19] And even in Israel have been speaking out and condemning it since day one to just talk about it and describe that, that problem, that in that government, in terms of a religion or ethnicity or a background is wrong and leads people down a wrong path. [00:09:36] So I think when I see people who are talking about it who have histories of anti-Semitism, and I'm worried about where they might lead their audiences or people they're close with next, I'm not telling them to shut up. I'm just not going to celebrate it. [00:09:53] Megyn Kelly, to my knowledge, doesn't have the same sort of background that some of these other people who have prominent shows on the right do. I don't think she has that same problematic commentary in her past. So for her, it's great. Yes. [00:10:10] If you can lead people down this path and show them, look, this this government is a problem. This leadership is a problem. Okay, go for it. But for the others, I'm just going to. It happens, but I'm going to try to fight back against how it might be weaponized. [00:10:26] Yeah, I it's it's. I'm hesitating to say because I don't want to insult anybody who thinks that. Including you, Jordan, but it feels like an entitled position. So let me explain. So am I going to celebrate Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly [00:10:41] understanding that Israel first is actually controlling this government, and they've taken away American sovereignty, and they bought 94% of Congress. And not only have they slaughtered innocent Palestinians with tens of thousands at a time, but they've also, you know, get our politicians and our media [00:11:01] to do Israeli propaganda. I'm going to celebrate that with bells on. I love that. I appreciate it, and I thank them for it. Okay. And most especially Tucker Carlson, that has done more to change the opinion of the right wing single handedly than any human being alive. [00:11:18] And I appreciate him so much for that. So if you say now, the reason why I say it's a little entitled is people go, well, that risk 1%, 2%, 5%, some small percentage that this movement could then get co-opted. [00:11:34] So Tucker has said, I've said Megyn Kelly said everybody has said literally hundreds of times, this has nothing to do with Jewish people. It is about a foreign government that we should judge as a government. By the way, the pro-Israeli crowd then goes, no, it's about Jewish people [00:11:50] make it about Jewish people. Make sure that if you don't like Israel, you don't like Jews. And we're like, no, don't do that. Don't do that. It's a government. Governments do bad things. Stop blaming Jewish people. And they're like, no, no, we're going to blame and we're going to hide behind Jewish people. By the way, pro-Israel crowd driving anti-Semitism [00:12:07] 2000 times worse than Tucker Carlson. There's no dispute of that, because every time we say it's not Jewish people, it's a pro-Israel crowd that goes, no, it is Jewish people, and you're attacking Jewish people, and they hide behind them, right? So it's disgusting. And it's also ironically, anti-Semitic. [00:12:23] Okay. So I blame them so much more. But you say, but what if Tucker Carlson side loses? Or it was always a trick and he's some sort of anti-Semitic devil, and he was hiding the whole time, and he takes a Scooby Doo mask off, and Fuentes and him partner up and they take over the country. [00:12:39] Max. 5% chance, I think 0.00001% chance. But okay. What is the other side of the ledger though? The other side of the ledger is that people like Tucker Carlson are trying to stop a genocide. That isn't a potential or hypothetical problem. [00:12:58] Ten years or 20 years from now, it's an open slaughterhouse that is happening today. So the fact that they are helping to stop that genocide is a million times more important than some potential theoretical, hypothetical problem [00:13:14] that might arise many years from now. And so when people say, well, my feelings were hurt. Well, the 20,000 Palestinian kids were hurt way worse when their heads exploded when Israel dropped a bomb on them. So I'll get to your feelings many, [00:13:29] many years from now after I'm done dealing with that genocide ending and ending the funding to this monstrous state that continues to attack all of its neighbors and the Palestinians and occupy them infinitely for 58 years. And they say, we're never going to let go of these people. [00:13:46] We're going to hold them captive forever and ever. So that is a much greater evil. And it's not close. It's happening now. Now. And so when people say, oh yeah, no, you should be more concerned about my feelings. My answer is, hell no, I'm not. No, I'm just not sorry. [00:14:03] When are you. When, Jordan, when are they going to be concerned about my feelings? Our feelings? My feelings is don't murder 20 000 children. Period. And everybody goes. Yeah, it's just a part of war. What's the big deal? What's the big deal? My feelings, my feelings. No, I don't care about your feelings. [00:14:19] I don't care about them at all. I care about ending that goddamn genocide and ending the funding to this state that is causing massive damage across the world and to America. So I think we're capable of chewing gum and walking, right? [00:14:36] And this I don't I also don't want to downplay, you know, mass shootings that have been inspired by anti-Semitic rhetoric or white nationalist rhetoric. I mean, this isn't a new problem. I mean, anti-Semitism has been a problem for years. [00:14:52] I think it has separately being weaponized by interest groups, you know, Pax C4's in the States to deflect from what's happening in Israel or in Gaza. [00:15:08] That is that's not something I want to give much weight to. But the tree of life synagogue shooting, you know, the shooting in El Paso, the shooting in Buffalo. Those shooters in their manifestos echoed antisemitic [00:15:25] and white nationalist conspiracy theories. That's a very real and present danger. We're seeing that time and time again, people committing acts of violence and are inspired by that type of rhetoric. [00:15:41] That's a problem. We can condemn that, and we can also condemn what's happening in Gaza. I think what we should do as people on the left is with clarity, with a moral authority. Speak to both. [00:15:56] I don't think they're mutually exclusive or have to happen in. In a subsequent order, I think they can happen consecutively. No. And that's the. You don't think we can do both at the same time? Look, condemning the shootings is the easiest thing in the world. [00:16:12] Of course we condemn the shootings. Those are poor, innocent people that didn't do anything wrong. We condemn any violence. That's the easiest thing in the world. But it's the it's condemning the. I know you're but. No no no no no no, but I want let me clarify. The rhetoric that inspires it. It's the people. No, no, no, I don't accept. Yes. [00:16:29] No, I don't accept it. So if you say Tucker Carlson caused those shootings, I think you're insane. No, he didn't cause that. And so. And in fact, I. Didn't. Say that. Only used that's only used to shut down his speech so that you don't find out [00:16:44] that Israel's not our just fine. No one's shut him down. He got fired from Fox because of a personal issue between him and Rupert Murdoch. It wasn't because of his rhetoric. In fact, they were fine with it. And they protected him as advertisers were fleeing his show for multiple years after that. [00:17:00] It was only when he had a personal issue with Rupert Murdoch did he did he get fired from Fox. He now has his own show. He's thriving. Are you are you claiming that people who have criticized Israel are not besieged by Israel first? Crowd that tries to destroy their careers? Is that are you not aware of that? [00:17:19] Because I can tell you stories off there several years. Name, name one prominent media figure who has successfully been canceled by these people. Powerless people, yes, but one prominent media. - Just name one. - Wait a minute, Jordan. Hold on. [00:17:34] For decade after decade, everyone in mainstream media knew that if you said anything against Israel, you were going to get fired. Has that happened in the past? Definitely. Can you ask me to recall a particular reporter or whatever? Almost no one has had the temerity to do it because everyone knows [00:17:51] you're going to get fired. And I can name you one Rick Sanchez. Rick Sanchez talked about money in politics on CNN, and then he made some comment he shouldn't have made about Jon Stewart or something, but they're like, that's it. Get him out. Get him out. Or he might notice that, oh, look, the money in politics [00:18:07] is leading to all of our politicians being corrupt and serving Israel. Any time anyone has said something like 1% offend anyone who's pro-Israel, you denounce or cancel Jordan. You don't know. I'll tell you. After the 800 ways the pro-Israel crowd has attacked this business, [00:18:26] this company, this network, me personally and personally, if you're pretending that that doesn't exist, a network of thugs in this country who value Israel above America, you're nuts. We all experience it. [00:18:41] If you fight hard enough, you experience it. And every time they hide behind anti-Semitism, every time they make up false charges of anti-Semitism, every single time, and they do it a thousand times over, it is their number one strategy. [00:18:59] And in fact, they want to drive up hatred towards Jewish people so they could use it as victimology so that they can get Israel another $100 billion from us. No, I'm not denouncing anyone speaking out accurately against Israel. [00:19:14] I welcome them now for guys like Fuentes and Meyer and gains, etc. That are saying awful things about Jewish people, I do not agree and I will never agree. But I know I'm not going to go around ritualistically denouncing the very people who are helping us the most. [00:19:31] That is a really. I'll try to be as polite as I can be. Ineffective, counterproductive strategy built by pro-Israel crowd to actually Destroy any unity between the right and the left. So they say, oh, you're on the left. You better denounce all these people. [00:19:49] All the best critics of Israel denounce them. No, no, no hard no. Hell no f no. Not ever. So. And last thing, Jordan, there's only one fact pattern by which in which I would consider denouncing anyone on the right [00:20:07] who has criticized Israel accurately. If the pro-Israel crowd, the Israel first crowd, the Ben Shapiro's, Mark Levin's or whoever. And by the way, literally every anchor on cable news, if any of them actually come out and show real concern about Palestinian deaths, [00:20:23] they're like, what if something happens to like, oh, the people I care about, right? Well, something is happening to the people you don't care about. 70,000 of them, at a minimum, are dead. 20,000 of their innocent children are dead, and I've [00:20:43] never seen them give one damn about it. So now I'm supposed to care about their feelings when they say, who cares about your stupid feelings and your stupid children? And Israel had to massacre them. And if you criticize Israel, we'll destroy you. [00:21:01] Israel had to massacre them. You want me to care about those sick sons of bitches? No, I don't. And I'll never listen to them. I hope that's clear. I think it was a total mischaracterization of what I was talking about. [00:21:16] Of course, the Israel lobby will try to get people fired. I'm saying they aren't typically successful with prominent people. The Rick Sanchez example is 15 years old, and he made a comment about how the people who run CNN are a lot like Jon Stewart. [00:21:33] People were debating whether or not he meant Jewish or liberal elites, if you want to. Sure. We could give him a generous read. Maybe it was misinterpreted, but Tucker Carlson has by no means been canceled, which was my point. And as for prominent anchors, Ayman Mohyeldin on MSNBC has routinely [00:21:52] done great pro-Palestinian coverage on MSNBC for the past couple years. He's on frequently. He has a weekly, a weekly or weekend show. He has. He's on in prime time throughout the week, sporadically. [00:22:07] Oh, God. Jordan. Come on man. They also got rid of Mehdi Hasan, didn't they? Did they have the Muslim anchors covered the genocide? How is that? How is that? How is that connected? But okay. Okay. Yes they did. That's not good. Ayman is still on the network. Are you. Are you saying he isn't a good person to talk about this? [00:22:23] No, that's a trick. No. You want me to denounce Ayman now? MSNBC credit. I'm saying he. Is somebody who is. Hold on. Jordan, you want me to answer the question? Is Ayman free to say what he really thinks? Absolutely not, and I don't. I know that for a fact. So keep going. [00:22:39] Keep coming up with BS examples. No. Jordan, what is he saying? That you think mainstream media thinks that you're free to criticize Israel? - No one thinks. - Isn't he saying. First of all, I don't look, I'm not going to denounce. I'm not going to talk about Ayman, who's a decent and wonderful person [00:22:56] and like, get into a thing of like trying to somehow get him in trouble. I'm not in the business of getting him in trouble. Okay, so, Jordan, not one cable news anchor has called it a genocide. Are you pretending that that's all a coincidence? We just have to happen to have the very worst people in America, [00:23:14] as all of our cable news anchors. That's. It's just a coincidence. None of them think they're going to get in trouble if they call it a genocide. It's just so magically happened almost every reporter in mainstream media. No one calls it a genocide. When Israel does the killings, when Hamas does the killings [00:23:29] slaughter terrorists, savages. When Israel does the killings, collateral damage had to happen. There's nothing you could do. Human shields, one Hezbollah propaganda after another after another. If you can't see, the mainstream media is totally in the tank for Israel. I can't help you. I mean, that is unbelievable. [00:23:47] It's an industry wide problem. But we covered on this show Ayman calling it a genocide when he grilled Karine Jean-Pierre for the Biden administration's failures to do anything to stop it. I don't understand why. One exception. One time from one Muslim anchor. [00:24:04] Congrats. Doesn't that prove the rule? Look, you're saying there's nobody other than Tucker Carlson in the media doing this? I'm telling you, there is somebody who also doesn't push anti-Semitism, who doesn't have a Holocaust denier on his multiple, sorry, [00:24:20] multiple Holocaust deniers on his show. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Where's the brave Rachel Maddow? Where's the brave Chris Hayes and Ari Melber? And where's all the other MSNBC host? Isn't it weird that not one of them independently came to the same conclusion [00:24:35] as almost every genocide scholar and every human rights group? Golly gee. How about there on air reporters other than Eamon? Can you name any? That has called it a genocide, that has said it's disgusting and they should murder 20,000 people. We should care more about the feelings of the dead, 20,000 children [00:24:52] than the feelings of pro-Israel sons of bitches in this country. No, I can't find a single one from the liberal network. Oh, what a funny coincidence. They happen to agree with Fox News on the genocide, and they happen to agree with CNN and New York Times and Washington Post. What an amazing coincidence. Okay. [00:25:09] Whatever, dude. It's like, I mean, you're you literally found one guy who once said it during one interview. That definitely proves my case. Not your case, Jordan. Like you had to dig and dig and dig and find one critique of Israel. [00:25:26] I can. - Okay, I just. - Googled Chris. Hayes genocide Gaza and I can. I'm pulling up dozens of segments over the past couple of years where he's talking about the genocide in Gaza. Amen. Again. - Right. - No. Chris Hayes. Chris Hayes. Okay, look, I'll look at your evidence. Send it to me. [00:25:42] And if I'm wrong about Chris Hayes, I'll come back and retract it. But again, you're desperately trying to find one exception. When we can all see the rules. That took 10s. That wasn't that wasn't. Saying that cable news and mainstream media have no fair [00:25:59] and impartial about Israel and Gaza. No, but you're acting like Tucker Carlson is the only person talking about this. And that's not true. Okay, so no, Tucker Carlson has done God's work in in making sure that the right wing understand how what Israel is actually doing. [00:26:18] Under no circumstances will I condemn that. No one you could tell me. Oh, but he went this way, and he referenced the wrong food item, and he he had the wrong historian on. No. Anyone against the genocide is a friend of mine. [00:26:35] And by the way, Imagine this standard under a different crime of humanity. So crime against humanity. So if we people made the argument, and almost all of them made it in all of mainstream media during World War Two, and they're like, you're offending the Germans. [00:26:53] Who cares about the dead Jews? You've offended the the Germans, and this could lead to anti-German violence. So since it could lead to anti-German violence, you should never criticize the Holocaust. And anyone who does should be denounced, right? [00:27:08] No. I would hate you for that. I'd fight you to tooth and nail on that, and I'm going to fight you. I don't mean Jordan. I mean generally fight the Israel first crowd. Tooth and nail to stop a genocide. And I love any brother or sister that are trying to help us to fight that genocide. [00:27:25] And no, I'm not going to be worried about the Germans feelings at all. Every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true. But it does keep you updated on our live shows.