I'm a Christian man, and I'm just confused why there's this notion that we might have, oh, Israel something, or that they're our greatest ally, or that we have to support this multi hundred billion dollar, foreign aid [00:00:17] package to Israel to cover this, to quote Charlie Kirk, ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I'm just confused why this idea has come around. Considering the fact that not only does their religion not agree with ours, [00:00:33] but also openly supports the prosecution of ours. - Yeah. - So. Vice president JD Vance took some pretty tough questions at a Turning Point USA event. And those tough questions, Jake, I would argue, confirm what Charlie [00:00:52] Kirk was warning about ahead of his assassination that young conservatives have moved away from Israel. Indeed, I think there's three topics to look out for here. As J.D. Vance answers the question. One is about religion, the other one is about the ethnic cleansing and the genocide that's going on. [00:01:07] And the third is about the money. So let's listen to what he says about that and come back and challenge it. Yeah. So just to give you a preview, the audience members asked about whether the US owes anything to Israel, why the United States is supporting an ethnic cleansing in Gaza, [00:01:23] and also whether Judaism disagrees or meshes well with Christianity. So here is Vance explaining why the United States backs Israel so aggressively. When the president says America first. That means that he pursues the interests of Americans first. [00:01:42] That is our entire foreign policy. And that doesn't mean that you're not going to have alliances, that you're not going to work with other countries from time to time. And that is what the president believes is that Israel, sometimes they have similar interests to the United States, and we're going to work with them. In that case, sometimes they don't have similar interests in the United States. [00:02:01] And in this example, the most recent Gaza peace plan that all of us have been working on very hard for the past few weeks, the president of the United States could only get that peace deal done by actually being willing to apply leverage to the state of Israel. So when people say that Israel is somehow manipulating or controlling [00:02:21] the president of the United States, they're not controlling this president of the United States, which is one of the reasons why would be able to have some of the success that we've had in the Middle East. That is a lie. Now, you might be asking which one, because he said so many different things. All of them were lies. [00:02:37] Let's start off with the notion that the Trump administration wants to have leverage over Israel. They do have leverage over Israel. They're called bombs. And there's been no break on that car. The Trump administration keeps funneling the bombs over to Israel. When have we ever pushed back against Israel? [00:02:53] Now Jake's going to mention, you know, the few little ciao ciao examples, including getting Netanyahu to apologize to the Qataris after he tried to kill the Hamas negotiators in the middle of peace talks. But the other thing I'll just quickly say there is no peace. [00:03:08] Deal. What are you talking about? 46 kids got slaughtered in one night by the Israelis after the truce. There's barely even a truce. There's no peace deal. There's barely a ceasefire. And maybe I'm being unfair, but what do you think, Jake? [00:03:24] No, no, of course you're not being unfair. But I think the question was so interesting. The fact that he asked that question shows you how much, the politics of this country has changed. And the answer was super interesting. So the question is interesting because here they are. Is that a right wing conference that Charlie Kirk's [00:03:40] Turning Point USA conference? And they're going, what the hell are we allies with Israel for? Oh my God, that's a stunning question. I mean, until two years ago, no one would have ever asked that question. You barely get that question in a left wing conference, let alone a right wing conference. Then the religious stuff makes me uncomfortable. [00:03:57] But, but but one thing he said that I thought was interesting phrasing, and what you hear from us all the time is why do we owe Israel? And that question is central. And the fact that it's being asked now, everywhere across the political spectrum [00:04:12] is enormously important. And Anna, in terms of his answer, look, I go broader than him saying, oh, we've defined Israel from time to time, right? So I think that's true, as Anna previewed, I think that a couple of times, cutting them out of the deal we did with the Houthis, with Hamas, to [00:04:29] get the first American hostage back, etc.. So it's a little bit I mean, on the other hand, Trump then gives them incredible free rein on other things like, oh, genocide away. Oh, you're obviously bringing the cease fire, I don't care. Keep bombing them. So it just so it's a mix. But really the issue is what are we getting out of the alliance. [00:04:48] Nothing right. Like so. And there's two revealing parts of that, and one is him saying, well, we defy them from time to time. Well, I mean, you're kind of telling on yourself like, oh, you daddy lets you defy him once or twice as you were growing up. [00:05:05] And then he said, they don't control this president, which kind of implies they were controlling all the other presidents. A thing that a vice president of the United States of America would never admit before. And he's kind of openly admitting it here. Now, the very next layer to it, Anna, is. [00:05:20] Yes, but what are we getting out of this so-called alliance? And the answer is, of course, zero. Nothing but trouble, hatred, wars and and our treasury being drained. Yeah. And let me just be clear. Yes, you're right. It is an admission to say this president isn't being controlled by Israel. [00:05:37] That implies that all the previous presidents had been controlled by Israel. I think that there was an exception that was JFK junior. Do with that information as you whatever you will. But Donald Trump is very much in the group of presidents that goes along with what Israel is doing, save for a few minor areas [00:05:56] in which he pushed back a little bit. But right now, he's still, you know, advertising this so-called peace deal when there is no peace deal. There's no peace deal. There's barely a ceasefire. Israel is still killing people. They just slow down a little bit in regard to how many Palestinians [00:06:12] are killing each day. Next, JD Vance addressed the audience member's question about Judaism and Christianity. - So let's get into that. - Hello. I have a question about Israel, and Trump's policy towards it. [00:06:29] Do you think it's a conflict of interest for Miriam Adelson and Israeli donor, to give millions of dollars to his campaign and then Trump have pro-Israeli policies? Okay, so that question was about corruption in our political system. [00:06:45] We'll get to that in a second. But what I wanted to mention about the religion thing is that Vance didn't really address it. So, he said nothing, right? And no, he said something. What did he say to him? He said, look, you know, obviously we don't believe in the same things. [00:07:00] We think Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. And obviously Jewish folks don't. Right. And that's fair. I don't find that to be relevant. Yeah, there are different religion. So what? Right. Yeah, they are different. That is important to keep in mind. Look, I'm not you guys know I'm not a religious person. But this made up narrative, the Judeo-Christian narrative [00:07:20] is completely made up. Okay, the two religions do conflict with each other. They do not mesh well together. I know I grew up Christian. Okay, so go ahead. Jake. Yeah. Look, I guess they don't, I know Judeo-Christian thing is made up. [00:07:36] I had a rabbi tell me that a while back. He's like, I don't remember the Judeo-Christian heritage in the 1940s. Right. So? So anyways. But that's okay. I mean, I would hope that there's Judeo, Christian, Muslim, Hindu atheist coalition. At some point we don't care about the religions, etc. [00:07:51] But he went on to say that the one thing he cares about is the church in Jerusalem. And it was that was also interesting coded language. And he said, look, that's where Jesus was crucified and where we think he's going to return. And the protection of Christians there is important. Wait, why are we talking about the protection of Christians [00:08:08] at this holy church in Jerusalem? Because that's an admission. That's an. Exactly. Okay, look, I have now spoken to several different people. They're not public figures, but they follow the news very closely. And when it comes to the topic of Israel, one of their concerns is that eventually, [00:08:26] once Israel is done with, dealing with the Muslims, that they're going to move on to restricting Christians from accessing holy sites that obviously mean a lot to them, including holy sites in Jerusalem. So this is why, honestly, I think Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens [00:08:43] have not made a difference. They made a gigantic difference because they've kind of opened eyes. A lot of the right wing. And that's part of what I call the Great Awakening. Right. Because people are beginning to realize, oh, the donors control everything, and not just about Israel, but about all of them. But in the case of Israel, one of the things that the right wing is now so mad [00:09:00] about is the treatment of Christians. So, look, I wish they were just as mad about the Christian, the treatment of Muslims. But they're getting there, by the way. Now, Tom Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson all and Candice in big way talking about, wait, why are we paying for the murder of children, Muslim children, Christian children, etc.? [00:09:17] To her credit, she actually went way further than that. I think it was during an interview with Theo Von, if I'm not mistaken. But she was on someone else's podcast and she's like, I realized I got brainwashed into hating the Muslims. Like, why do I hate the Muslims? Again, no, that was super powerful. I got to be honest. That actually helped me to wake up to the propaganda that has been [00:09:36] in this country and why why has there been overwhelming anti-Muslim propaganda for 40 straight years in this country and it's unabated. Okay. But the reason why he had that defensive answer is because they've killed [00:09:51] Christians in Gaza, because there's a lot of Palestinian Christians. People don't even know about that. They were hiding in a church. Hundreds of them scared to death. And then Israel. Israel fired a tank at the church. But on top of that, the church in Jerusalem, that is the Holy One [00:10:07] that they're talking about. Christians have been spit on going to the church and that and that. Look, that's not all Israelis, but it is some fundamentalists that are doing that. - It's the extremists, for sure. - It's extremists. But honestly, like all of the settlers are extremists. Yeah, 100%. The settlers are the most extreme. [00:10:22] And so when you see those videos of settlers spitting on Christians in in the West Bank, for instance, no, they're not representative of all Israelis. However, it is important to point out that the Israeli government sits idly by and allows it to happen. [00:10:38] Yeah, and it's getting under the skin of a lot of Christians in America because, look, guys, can they do something about it? Absolutely. In Turkey, if you bother a tourist by an inch, you're going to get your ass handed to you. And maybe it's not the right thing to do. ET cetera. But they're going to beat the living crap out of you, and then they're going to put you in prison for a long time. [00:10:53] Why tourism? They're not dumb. Right. They want all folks to come to Turkey and enjoy Turkey and never, ever be bothered by anyone bothering them. Right. In Israel, do they care about tourism? Of course. Religious tourism is a huge thing. Nevertheless, their government is making almost no effort to stop people [00:11:12] from spitting on Christians, which is just kind of rubbing people's face in it. That guy. Officer Tatum in an interview was like, you know, I went and visited and I only got spit on once. - Congratulations. - I hope the check cleared, brother. Did they give you an extra $7,000 to spit on you? [00:11:30] He's an embarrassment, man. You are an embarrassment to Christian. 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