Certain. Steve Bannon said in a recent interview that there could be plans for you to be able to run and potentially win a third term in 2028. Is that something you'd be willing to challenge in court? Well, I haven't really thought about it. I have the best poll numbers I've ever had. I would love to do it. [00:00:16] And I have my best numbers ever. It's very terrible. I have my best numbers if you read it. Am I not ruling it out? You'll have to tell me. This morning, Donald Trump refused to rule out a third term as president, despite it [00:00:35] being blatantly unconstitutional. Now, before we get into more of the details, Jank, what do you make of this? They are continuing to hint at it, and it seems like all signs are pointing to they're going to try it. What do you think? [00:00:50] This is what we have. No kings protests. So the right wing is always like, oh, I can't believe you guys are calling him authoritarian. Dude, what's running for a third term about? There is no such thing. It's in the Constitution. It's super clear. We're going to give you more details here, because they have one particular avenue [00:01:06] that they thought was kind of cute, but Trump is apparently ruled that one out, but I wouldn't count on him ruling anything out. Does he want to stay in power? Jordan, despite what the US Constitution says, despite America being a democracy, etc.? Of course, of course he wants to stay in power. [00:01:23] The most important part of this, Jordan, is the MAGA reaction. Why? Because he's testing the waters here. Are his voters going to back him up and encourage him to do it again? Or are they going to say no, this is how he does it. They use the excuse of trolling. We'll explain all of it now. [00:01:41] Yeah. Now, his statements came a few days after Steve Bannon claimed, yet again, that there is a plan to keep Trump in office for another term. He said Trump is going to be president in 28 and people ought to just get accomodated with that. [00:01:58] Now, the Constitution is incredibly clear on this issue. The 22nd amendment reads. No person shall be elected to the office of the president more than twice, and no person who has held the office of president or acted as president [00:02:13] for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected president, shall be elected to the office of the president more than once. But some of Trump's supporters have floated a plan that they argue would circumvent the US Constitution. [00:02:30] It would include him running for vice president in 2028 as JD Vance's running mate and then having Vance resign. But today, Trump said he was ruling out that particular scheme. Take a look. [00:02:45] One theory on how you might try to serve a third term is that you could run as the vice president. Yeah, I'd be allowed to do that. Is it the white House or the white House counsel to your legal position? No. You'd be allowed to do that. But I wouldn't want I wouldn't do that. I think it's it's too cute. [00:03:01] Yeah, I would rule that out because it's too cute. I think the people wouldn't like that. It's too cute. It's not. It wouldn't be right. And he also revealed who he thinks would make a good Republican ticket if he were to step aside. [00:03:17] Take a look. We have some very good people, as you know. For 2028. They're very good people. We have great people. I don't have to get into that, but we have one of them standing right here. We have J.D., obviously, the vice president is great. [00:03:34] I think Marco's great, I think. I'm not sure if anybody would run against us. I think if they ever formed a group, it would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that I would, I would, I would love to do it. [00:03:49] Now, his refusal to rule himself out of the race in 2028 shouldn't be surprising. In March, NBC's Kristen Welker told Trump in an interview that she'd heard him joke about serving a third term multiple times. [00:04:05] And in response Trump said, no, I'm not joking, I'm not joking. So it seems perfectly clear. Jake, I think your point is a good one. This is why we have events and mass mobilizations like the No Kings protest. The right will say we don't have a king, but they're saying on the right, [00:04:24] right now they want one and they want it to be Trump. - What do you think? - Yeah. So that that's a little bit more in question. So we'll get into that in a second. But first I want to go to some of our members here because I think they make a lot of good points. And we'd like to do the show together with you guys. [00:04:41] Hit the join button if you can, to become one of those members. Ian Gulbis says what's even funnier? The Conservative Party pushed for the two term limit amendment in response to FDR. Absolutely right. So but for conservative leaders, their goal is clear, which is power. [00:04:59] The Constitution is optional. Democracy is optional. Power is what's important. Again, we'll get to the voters in a second. Ferguson said Trump would be 86 or 87 at the end of a third term. At that point, he could stay in politics. He'd be the ideal age to fit in with our Senate. [00:05:15] Good point. Okay, I was going to say don't give him any ideas. But by the way, if you're on the right, Trump could run for the Senate, the House, he could ask to be appointed to the Supreme Court. He could do all those things. There's nothing preventing him from doing that. He just. [00:05:30] You can't be pro-constitution and say, who cares about the Constitution? We just want to run again and again and again. So that's just a fact. If that fact makes you uncomfortable, that's fine. But you got to resolve it somehow. You have to either say, well, of course I'm not for a third term. That's ridiculous. [00:05:45] Or of course I'm not for the Constitution. I hate the Constitution, okay? Or you hate that provision in the Constitution. That's fair. Michael says Trump never cared about the Constitution. He just wants to have as much power as possible for as long as possible. It's that simple. You can boil 99% of his decisions down to that fact when it comes to Trump. [00:06:04] Yes, I agree with that completely. I think that he thinks, why wouldn't I want more money and power and fame? Where's the question? Like, well, the question is democracy, the Constitution, America, Western civilization? To him, those are just inconveniences. [00:06:21] I don't think he cares about those as ideas or philosophies. And if you do, you're on the right and you care about those things. You're projecting your beliefs onto him. He's never shown that he cares about those things. And, catch a butterfly on Twitch says if Cheeto gets around third term, [00:06:36] so does Obama. In fact, that's partly what they're worried about. That's why when Steve Bannon has been asked about it, because he keeps bringing it back up. He said, oh, well, we have an idea for that. They're going to they're going to try to move this whatever ideas they have, which is nonsense. [00:06:51] They don't have any ideas. They're ideas. Why don't we go for fascism, okay? Or do this stupid cutesy trick which, you know, I mean, like, I can't give Trump any credit on this. He's the one going, oh, maybe I run for a third term. And I'm not joking. I'm not joking. Right. So. All right. He ruled out the idea. [00:07:07] That's too cute by half. On the running as vice president and having the vice president step down. But that was the only idea I've seen that they've actually put out there, which is not that clever. But when Bannon was asked about it, he's like, well, no, we can design it in a way where only Trump can one run. [00:07:22] But Obama can't tell me that you're afraid of Barack Obama without telling me you're afraid of Barack Obama. Tell me that you're not actually in favor of democracy without telling me you're not actually in favor of democracy. Because if you want to say third term, look, I'm not a Barack Obama fan. I don't necessarily would would necessarily want him to run again. [00:07:39] Okay. But apparently Bannon, Trump and all the other leaders of the Republican movement are like, oh no, not Obama, not Obama. We have to double cheat. We have to. Our guy can run, but your guy can't run because we think your guy would kick our guy's ass and he's way more popular. So we're going to maneuver everything so that he can't run. [00:07:57] But we can't. All right, then you're you're admitting that you want to cheat. You want to get rid of the Constitution. You don't want to play by the rules. You hate our democracy. Just admit it. Just say it. Why doesn't Steve Bannon just say it? Okay. You hate our democracy. Everybody knows that, Steve. [00:08:13] I don't know why you continue to hide it. You've said it a billion times in other ways. Oh, wouldn't it be great if these people weren't allowed to do that? And those people weren't allowed to do this, and only me and my fellow Republican leaders and our fake walls and all the other scams we run, are the ones who [00:08:30] should be the only ones who have a voice. Yeah, I get it, man, I get it. Some in right wing leadership love that kind of talk. Power for power's sake. That's not what this country was built upon. Okay, so when it comes to the voters, Jordan, look, do I see the cat turds [00:08:46] of the world like, yay! Fascism is awesome, by the way. - Don't call us fascists. - Oh, they called me fascist. Let's be fascist. Make up your mind which turd of whichever animal you are. Make up your mind. Do you want to be fascist or do you believe in America? [00:09:01] Oh, no. I believe in America, man. I do what Trump, man. Trump looks like me. People look like me. That's what the America I believe. That's not America, brother. That's not America. That's like old school Germany or something. So Americans were all equal. We believe in justice for everyone and an equal rights. [00:09:20] Not an equal opportunity, not equality of results. But you don't. You don't want any of that. You don't. So just be honest about it in terms of the rest of them. Jordan. I don't think so. Look, I think that this one, the percentages I'm not sure about, is [00:09:35] there a big chunk that says, yeah, Trump, no matter what, screw the Constitution. There probably is a decent chunk of right wingers who think that. Are there a bunch of people who voted for Trump who would go third term? What is he going to be? 98 and I read the Constitution. I took civics in eighth grade. [00:09:51] No, no, he's he's just trolling. He's messing with you guys. And they like I think half of them at least genuinely believe that no matter how many times Steve Bannon and Donald Trump say, we're not joking, we hate the Constitution. [00:10:07] We want the power. That's the only thing we care about. No matter how many times they say they go, oh, they're just trolling. They're just kidding. And I think that those guys genuinely believe they're trolling because they think, really? You hate America that much? This one's crystal clear. Do you hate our Constitution that much? And on this one, which makes sense. [00:10:24] No. So they can't quite believe that their leadership actually. Is that un-American? Yeah. I am curious to see how this plays out. Now, granted, there's a lot of time between now and the 2020 election. [00:10:40] I do think that they will at least try it. I don't know how it'll go in the primaries, but with so many different aspects of Trump's administration, his behavior, his violation of our norms or our laws, it all relies on whether or not [00:10:56] there's a contingent large enough in the Republican Party to push back against it. And time and time again, they have shown they're unwilling to do so. Now the element here is, well, That's another term that other presidential hopefuls are removed from or eliminated from contention. [00:11:14] So there's a little bit of a self-serving interest. I'm sure they're going to say it now when they're far away from this election cycle. But I do think some of them are not going to want him to run again because they're getting old, too. They want a shot. Everyone's in it for themselves. While they might publicly support Trump, there's a lot of self-serving [00:11:31] in our politics. So that's one component. I'd be curious to see how this stacked, right wing Supreme Court would rule on a on an inevitable challenge to his candidacy. But also, it's very lofty, lofty, to be talking about this now, [00:11:47] knowing how the presidency ages everybody and knowing that Trump is in poor health. We just heard today from Axios that Trump had an a previously unannounced MRI at Walter Reed within the past couple months, on top of another surprise visit to Walter Reed. [00:12:05] So he is not doing well. There's been a lot of speculation over the past several months about potentially serious health conditions affecting him. We saw those bruises on his hand. You saw the swelling of his ankles. None of this points to somebody who is in a good health state. [00:12:24] And I think, like I'm saying, it's lofty to think that he might be around for another seven years if you include the four years of that potential illegal, unconstitutional third term. Yeah. Look, I just can't stand this brazen attack on the Constitution. [00:12:42] There are there parts of the Constitution you want to amend? Of course, especially the way the Supreme Court has ruled. Right. The Supreme Court has ruled that First Amendment means you're allowed to bribe any politician you like. And we'll call it a campaign contribution or an independent expenditure, or we'll call it a gratuity after the fact. [00:13:00] Right. So do I want to amend the Constitution to fix that part? Yes. Have some parts of the Constitution been misinterpreted? Yes. And that happens with the Supreme Court deciding cases all the time on what different words mean, what different phrases mean, etc. But this one, it has no lack of clarity at all. [00:13:19] No one outside of Steve Bannon and Donald Trump have ever questioned this amendment. It's crystal clear. And by the way, the American people love it. There's no big movement. Oh my God, I wish that people could. I mean, Obama was, whether you liked him or not, was very popular and there was no movement for a third term because people believed [00:13:37] this is a core American principle. It's in our Constitution for good reason. What is Trump doing? He does the testing of the waters. And then if it doesn't work and people don't like it, and then he goes, oh, I was just trolling. He doesn't even say it. Usually his handlers will say it. Oh, he was just trolling. [00:13:54] In hindsight, if it does work, then he goes, oh yeah, I meant it. Of course I meant it. Come on, right away. Right away. Let's do it. So how are we going to tell if it's going to, quote unquote work or if he's going to retreat on this one because he does retreat quite often. I mean, that's why the markets even have a word for it, Taco. [00:14:09] Right. Trump always chickens out. So I don't think he always chickens out. I think he chickens out some of the time, and sometimes he doesn't, depending on the reaction, the stock market reaction, world markets reaction. And in this case Maga's reaction and independent and, and other Trump voters. [00:14:26] So Jordan, last thing is for you. Right. So I think that Tim Dylan's of the world and the Theo Von's and Andrew Schultz, I think they're gone already. I think that if Trump was like, yeah, I should be king, I should run for a third term. Eighth term. He'd be like, shut up, dude. No, no. Hell no. [00:14:42] And it would affect a lot of independents that voted for Trump last time, and it would be a bad idea. Rogan, I think, would say, hell no. I'm not as sure as I am with the other three. Do you think that those guys will go, no way, we love Trump. [00:14:59] We ask you to vote for Trump. We bow our heads to Trump. Screw the Constitution. We want Trump to do this. And that's question number one. Question number two is do you think that makes a big difference or no. So I think it depends on what our circumstances are in 2027. [00:15:15] I think if you know some of these more systemic issues are addressed, I don't think they will be. I'm just saying in a hypothetical scenario, you know, say Trump has like cracked down on like private, it's laughable to think about. But things like private equity, buying up homes or there's some sort of new Trump [00:15:33] care health plan or wages are going up. You know, if we are in some like booming economic period and people's material needs are maybe even incrementally being met better than they are now, maybe, [00:15:49] maybe they would find a way to justify it. I don't think that's going to be the case. I think when you are living in a hyper capitalist society like we are in late stage capitalism, things are only going to continue to deteriorate. So I think it might be easy for them to be against it. [00:16:07] I don't I don't I don't want to discount the impact. I do think they will help shape some people's opinions, but I think it would be much more than that. I think there there is a large moderate contingent in this country who will recognize this as an authoritarian power grab. [00:16:25] But I do worry about a scenario that we have seen the ascension of authoritarians to power in years past, in decades past, using a populist economic starting point to hold on to and retain power. [00:16:40] And if Trump were to do literally anything for people, literally anything that doesn't just enrich his family or his billionaire buddies, it might be more palatable to people like that who don't really care about the Constitution, or who might find themselves willing to look past it [00:16:59] because of their own financial well-being. Yeah, to your point, within two years, when the primaries really get going, I think Trump will be so despised said that all this will be moot and why, guys, if you're on the right or you voted for Trump, why the economy, [00:17:17] let alone everything else? Yeah. Jordan's right. What has he done for you? He gave you a nickel and a dime, right? On the tax cuts, just like the Democrats do. Oh, he gave you 5% change. 10% change. Meanwhile, he gave 100%, 200% to the richest people in the country, to the corporations, [00:17:32] just like Joe Biden gave all the corporate subsidies to the chip manufacturers, etc., and bragged that it was going to help the American people. We said on the show, no, it's not, and it's not going to help the Democrats because you didn't deliver for them. And I'm saying the same thing about Trump, because all these politicians, they all blah. [00:17:47] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Talk a good game. They get into power. What do they do for you? Almost nothing. What do they do for themselves and their donor friends? Almost everything. So Trump's playing that same establishment playbook. And this time, if I'm right it catches up with him. [00:18:02] So we'll find out. And he'll find out every time you ring the bell below. An angel gets his wings. Totally not true, but it does keep you updated on our live shows.