And I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, probably not American. And we have every right to ask on whose behalf was he working? It's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct [00:00:15] connections to a foreign government. Now, no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel, because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty. Okay, right. It's not going away. Tucker Carlson there, strong words for anyone trying to shame Americans [00:00:34] who are curious about potential ties between Jeffrey Epstein and intelligence agencies like the CIA or Mossad. At this weekend's Turning Point USA summit, Tucker implored the audience to not buy into the argument that acknowledging suspicious links between [00:00:51] Epstein and Israel is anti-Semitic. It's not that way, he says. It's not conspiratorial, Territorial either. - Listen to this. - There is nothing wrong with saying that. There is nothing hateful about saying that. There's nothing anti-Semitic about saying there's nothing even anti-Israel [00:01:08] about saying that criticizing the behavior of a government agency does not make you a hater. It makes you a free person. You have a right to demand that foreign governments not be allowed to act against your interest. That's not creepy. It shouldn't be forbidden. [00:01:25] And yet, all of us have trained ourselves to believe that. You can't say that somehow that that's, like, too naughty and forbidden. And the effect of making that off limits has been to create a lot of resentment. And I'll say it, hate online, where people feel like they can't just [00:01:43] say like, what the hell is this? You have the former Israeli prime minister living in your house. You have all this contact with the foreign government. Were you working on behalf of Mossad? Were you running a S blackmail operation on behalf of foreign government. [00:01:59] By the way, every single person in Washington, DC thinks that I've never met anyone who doesn't think that I don't know any of them that hate Israel. But no one feels they can say that. Why? Yeah. Tucker's not going to be able to say that without reaction. We'll get to that in a little bit. The former prime minister of Israel, Naftali Bennett, responded to Tucker [00:02:18] and questions Tucker's questions. But before we get to that, Jenk, what do you make of Tucker Carlson's no holds barred Turning Point USA speech? He really just decided to lay it all out there. Yeah. So that portion of the speech I totally agree with. [00:02:35] And so if people are discomforted by that, that's kind of their problem, not my problem. So the great majority of American people agree. So let's break it down. But I want to be clear about it. So you there's a couple of parts that are indisputable. [00:02:51] You can dispute them if you like, but it just shows you're detached from reality. So can we criticize the American government without being anti-American? Well, of course we can. We could love America, I love America. I think Tucker Carlson, in his own way, loves America. And we both criticize the government all the time. [00:03:08] The American government and the Iraq war was a disaster. I mean, everyone, almost everyone on the Democratic side and the Republican side has criticized the American government at some point, and pretty harshly. Right. And no one's ever been caught. I mean, sometimes the right wing used to call the the left un-American for that [00:03:25] stuff, but that garbage has ended, right? Like so. Now even the right wing hates the Iraqi war and etc., right? So now. And what about an ethnic government? Well, I mean, of course, everybody would say you can't criticize the Saudi government because it's a muslim state. [00:03:41] That argument would be the most ridiculous argument anybody's ever heard, or you'd get laughed out of the room. Right. If you said, oh, you can't criticize the Turkish government because that would be a racist anti-turkish position, you get laughed out of the room and you should. Right. But when they say, oh, you can't criticize the Israeli government [00:03:57] or wonder if they are doing this kind of operation, then you hate Jews. No, that doesn't make any sense at all. And by the way, you're implicating all Jews in Mossad's actions. That's ludicrous. So Mossad is not calling random Jewish Americans or Jewish Norwegians [00:04:13] or Jewish Israelis and going, oh, by the way, here's a secret agent plot. No. Does it do? Does the CIA call random Americans be like, oh, hey, Bob, here's what we're going to do next, right? No. They're responsible for their own actions, and not all Jews are. And if you say that all Jews are responsible for what Mossad [00:04:31] might have done, you're a weirdo. Anti-semite. Not us. You are. And the Israeli supporters are so weirdly defensive about this. They're like, you know, Mossad didn't do it. How do you know Mossad didn't do it? If you ask me. Hey, did the Turkish version of the CIA do something or not? [00:04:48] I'd say, how the hell would I know? Right? They didn't call me. They didn't call my uncle. How would I know? But they're like, no. Israel would never do that. No. You're a lunatic. The intelligence agencies of all of our governments do terrible things. [00:05:04] And to say that you know that Israel is the one moral intelligence agency that would never do it. Come on, come on. It's absurd. In fact, you're almost telling on yourself if you say, I know definitively it's not Mossad. Why are you an Israeli agent? I don't know how else you would know that. [00:05:21] Right. So, no, it's illegitimate to ask the question. So it's legitimate to ask if he was connected to Norway, Bolivia, Kazakhstan, like any other country. But if you ask it, of Israel, somehow that magically becomes illegitimate. [00:05:37] And even when there is massive ties. And we'll talk about the ties in a minute to Israel, he does not. Epstein did not have a lot of ties to the Norwegian government or the Peruvian government. He had a lot of ties to Israel, and so did Ghislaine Maxwell. Massive ties. But but even though those ties are clear and we could talk about them, and we're [00:05:55] not saying Mossad definitely did it. We're wondering, hey, well, that's a lot of ties to Mossad and Israel. They say, oh, you're not allowed to ask, but why am I not allowed to ask? That's ludicrous. Okay, so, now I, I have more questions [00:06:12] because I'm starting to wonder. Sharon. Wait a minute. They seem. And when I say they, I mean the people that are in power in Washington, like Democratic politicians, Republican politicians, mainstream media, they all seem way more bothered by this theory than the theory [00:06:28] that American presidents like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were involved. They're like, oh yeah, that's bad, but that's okay. We can live with that one, though it might have been CIA or how dare you, you anti-Semite! Okay, do you want to know why they're more touchy? [00:06:44] Because it's one thing if the US government or any government covers up the crime of child rape and hundreds of cases of it, it's another. If they were part of it, if they set up young, [00:07:00] underaged American girls to get raped by the rich and powerful so they could have blackmail or whatever other thing that they need for their intelligence agency. If CIA, Mossad, MI6, whoever it might be, any intelligence agency that is connected to that did not mind raping hundreds [00:07:20] of underaged American girls for their purposes, that is why it's thermonuclear. That is why, even though the whole country realizes that there were hundreds of Epstein clients, none of them have been prosecuted. [00:07:35] And the government and yes, be honest, under both a Democratic president and a Republican president, in fact, multiple Democratic and multiple Republican presidents. The US government is like, we are never going to tell you that we're not going to prosecute a single person ever, ever, ever, because this is thermonuclear. [00:07:55] Okay. Okay. You're confessing. You're confessing. So a lot more where that came from. Back to you, Sharon. Yeah. You mentioned somebody who would be in the know. Would perhaps be the only one who could tell us. And maybe this is that person. [00:08:11] In response to questions about whether Epstein colluded with Israel's intelligence agency, Mossad. Naftali Bennett wrote this on X will show it to you. As a former Israeli prime minister with Mossad having reported directly to me, [00:08:27] I say to you with 100% certainty the accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false. Epstein's conduct both the criminal. You okay, Jake? [00:08:43] And the merely despicable had nothing whatsoever to do with the Mossad or the State of Israel. He never worked for the Mossad. This accusation is a lie being peddled by prominent online personalities [00:08:59] such as Tucker Carlson, pretending they know things they don't. They just make things up. Say it with confidence. And these lies stick because it's Israel. There's a vicious wave of slander and lies against my country and my people. [00:09:14] We just won't take it anymore. Well, Tucker clapped back when that went up. He's still going full steam ahead. You just won't take it anymore. Instead of issuing threats on social media, why don't you sit down for a rational interview on Jeffrey Epstein's ties to the Israeli government? [00:09:35] We'll reach out to your office this morning. No word yet on whether Bennett has taken Tucker up on that offer. Meanwhile, some of the biggest defenders of Israel in Congress are upset that the Epstein story just will not go away. Republican Congressman Mike Lawler, annoyed that CNN's John Berman [00:09:53] even asked him about the country's biggest news story. Let's take a look at that. Frankly, this seems like a colossal waste of time and effort and frankly, a lot of nonsense. There are a lot of issues facing this country right now. [00:10:09] A dead pedophile ain't one of them. Explain to me what you think. The nonsense is here. Well, frankly, the fact that you're even covering this. I mean, I don't even understand, frankly. What? Why we're spending a lot of time on Jeffrey Epstein. [00:10:24] You know, the fact is, he was a pedophile who was arrested. He committed suicide. So, you know, it's being covered because the deputy director of the FBI is said to have taken off work on Friday to protest the Justice Department's [00:10:41] own handling of this. Oh, yeah. There's that. How about a Democrat for you, Richie Torres, arguing that this whole thing is just one big distraction? Can we be clear that that the Epstein controversy is a distraction of Donald Trump's own making, that he was fanning the flames of the of the Epstein [00:10:57] conspiracy theory during the campaign? And so now he's, you know, he's he's essentially an arsonist pretending to be a firefighter. And there was no need for an investigation. The medical examiner had investigated the matter and found that Epstein died by suicide. The same conclusions were drawn by the Bureau of Federal Prisons. [00:11:15] There was no need for a new investigation, unless the purpose was to legitimize a conspiracy theory. Or to find out more about Epstein's crimes, ties and potential blackmail. I mean, it's not just about whether he committed suicide or somebody offed him. Perhaps in that one minute, disappearance of the, [00:11:34] prison tapes that have been released. Released. What say you about both. I mean, you got both sides of the aisle. Others and Tucker Carlson beating them all back, saying, no, something stinks here. Yeah. Okay, so I'm now amused by these reactions. [00:11:52] So. What connects Republican Representative Lawler with Democratic Representative Ritchie Torres? Oh, right. They're both enormous supporters of Israel. In fact, two of the biggest supporters of Israel in Congress. And look at that. It's bipartisan. [00:12:07] And I was amused by how many times Lawler said frankly, I mean, frankly, frankly, I mean, this is this is ridiculous. Please get it out of the news. Please get it out of the news. Frankly, frankly. There's nothing to see here. The girls raped themselves. Obviously, it was on tape, but it was just. It was just. [00:12:22] Just child porn of them getting raped by no one. Of course. Like, you could almost sense the panic in his voice. Right? And Torres says this is a distraction. Brother, you're in the Democratic Party. [00:12:38] MAGA is talking about how Trump himself might be on the Epstein list. And you think that is not something the Democrats should talk about? You think the Democrats should let Trump off the hook on that? Because. [00:12:54] Come on guys. Come on. Come on. I mean, it's a fairy tale in Washington. This is like my whole life. I grew up on mainstream media and believing that these politicians were real and that they were having debates. And like, I was such a naive little kid. I used to watch McLaughlin Report and Meet the Press and all those things starting [00:13:13] at like the age of, I don't forget, it was 10 or 12, like it was really young. I'd watch Super Friends Wrestling and This Week with David Brinkley. Okay. And so. And I thought it was real. I thought it was real. I'm sure a lot of you today still think it's real, right? No, it's all theater. Look at the Democrats and the Republicans. [00:13:30] The minute that that topic is touched, you got to move off of it. - You gotta move. - Off of it. And look, I'll give Ari Berman credit. Nice job bringing that up and asking legitimate questions on CNN. I'm going to get to Megyn Kelly in a second. I'm going to get to the evidence on connections to Israel in a second. But look, guys, they keep using anti-Semitism, of course, as always, [00:13:47] like a one trick pony, right? Anything about Israel? You're like Israel, anti-Semite. You're like, wait, I didn't even finish the sentence, right? So, so. But in this case, when they use it as a weapon, you're not allowed to ask questions about only one government and only one intelligence agency. [00:14:04] You can ask all the questions you want about America and the CIA and every other country. But you're not allowed to ask about Israel ever, about anything. You're not allowed to criticize them. You're not allowed to ask. You're not allowed to say it. Okay. Because why anti-Semitism? All right. [00:14:19] Well, guys, now you're using it as a weapon to protect your country and you're driving up anti-Semitism. That's another part of the speech that Tucker was right about. Look, for a while in my lifetime, this was so effectively buried that the government was right. [00:14:35] Oh, I think we can trick Democrats and Republicans. We just have mainstream media. We've just got to get those buffoons to play along. And then all of and nobody will be the wiser. Right. And that worked for decades. But now mainstream media is falling apart. There's all sorts of other media. We're all talking about it. [00:14:50] So now when they try to bury and they're like, you better not say anything bigot, bigot, racist, anti-Semite, anti-Semite, etc., it's getting a thousand times worse because it's building and building and building online. And the more the government says you're not allowed to criticize Israel, the more [00:15:06] the American people start to get enraged. And the more you connect the nefarious actions of any government with a religion, you're going to drive up hatred towards that religion. It's a profoundly bad idea, done enormously selfishly by the current government of Israel. [00:15:23] So, guys, I'll give you an example. I use my own ethnic background all the time just to give you a sense of what? Something someone who's unbiased looks like. So I remember when the Turkish government was accused of a false flag operation in Syria. Right. And this is a bunch of years ago we covered on the Young Turks and the [00:15:39] Turkish government said, how dare you? This is outrageous conspiracy theories about false flags. And then the foreign minister was caught on tape and we played the tape. It was hilarious. He's like, we should attack our own place so that we have a reason to go into northern Syria with the Turkish army. [00:15:54] Okay. Now, if you yelled Anti-turkish when that was revealed, laughed out of the building, right? As you should be. But when Israel gets caught doing anything, they're like. Yeah, we represent all Jews. [00:16:11] - And. - All Jews. Did this. And if you criticize Israel at all, you're criticizing all Jews. Don't don't do that. Don't do that. I didn't do a false flag operation in Syria. My my poor uncle, who still lives in Turkey, didn't do a false flag operation in Syria. [00:16:28] Turkish intelligence said that there are government there, an intelligence agency. They don't represent us all. And when you put that on Jews across the world, you're driving up. There's no random Jewish person got a call from Assad. It's both wrong, counterproductive, and most importantly, inaccurate. [00:16:46] Inaccurate. Don't smear all Jews. They got nothing to do with Mossad. They're not Mossad. We're not in the CIA. So it's a disgusting use of anti-Semitism and bigotry as a shield and a weapon by the unsurprisingly disgusting current Israeli government. [00:17:03] I mean, the guys who committed a genocide. Oh, they're they're burning up credibility for the very legitimate charge of anti-Semitism in other cases, for their own political purposes. Wow. Color me shocked by the angels who run the current Israeli government. So let's go to the evidence. I've got more. [00:17:20] But, so, I'm going to just give you one, tweet from Glenn Greenwald. Actually, before we go there, in case you're wondering. So remember Alex Acosta, he was the guy who, let Epstein go with [00:17:35] a slap on the wrist, the prison sentence where he didn't have to stay in prison. He just treated it like a hotel. He could go out at night during the day. The entire day. That's not a prison, okay? And they said that it was solicitation of prostitution. No, it was rape of underage girls. Anyway, Acosta told others, and back in [00:17:53] 2007, quote, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone. Okay. Now, Acosta never said it on the record. So people say, oh, it's hearsay. No, people heard him say it and they reported, and we're not in a court of law. [00:18:10] We're in the court of public opinion. So he apparently said that to multiple people. So several people, right or wrong, are saying, yeah, Acosta told me that Epstein was an intelligence agent and that's why he couldn't prosecute him. So whatever happened to Acosta? [00:18:26] Anyway, many years later, he became the labor secretary for Donald Trump in his first term. He has nothing to do with labor, no expertise in labor at all. He was a prosecutor. I'm sure it was a wild coincidence. Okay. So, and and once. [00:18:41] And this is Times of Israel reporting this. Epstein himself told someone else that he was CIA, by the way, that, you know, you could say, hey, maybe not Mossad, maybe just CIA. That's what Epstein said. Perfectly legitimate. Super legitimate. It might be just CIA. We don't know. [00:18:56] So, Glenn writes, one of Epstein's closest friends was former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Ehud Barak visited Epstein only 30 times. Okay. Number two, a key source of Epstein's vast wealth, [00:19:13] though mysterious, was from Les Wexner, whose primary life cause is Israel. I looked into it. That is also absolutely true. An anonymous donor to AIPAC. Absolutely obsessed with Israel. And one day he says, oh, that fired math teacher with no college degree. [00:19:33] You can handle all of my wealth. Hundreds of millions of dollars. And you could take almost as much as you like. That probably happens all the time. It's not like Les Wexner was a businessman who sophisticated and knows what he's doing. [00:19:48] Oh, no. He was enormously good businessman, made a lot of money, but. Oh. Oh, you're you're a math teacher with no college degree who was fired? Sure. Take all my money. Yeah, that's probably happens. All right. Number three, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, the billionaire Robert Maxwell, [00:20:05] was a mossad agent who mysteriously died after that was reported. Though Maxwell was British. Israel gave him a state funeral when he died. By the way, Yitzhak Rabin, the prime Minister at the time, attended one of the most legendary Mossad agents of all time. [00:20:22] He stole information that allowed them to win some of the wars that they won in the early years. And so if you're an Israeli, you can say, hey, listen, man, Robert Maxwell, he stole from the Americans, the British, etc. But God bless him, we won those wars because of Robert Maxwell. [00:20:38] But you can't say he wasn't a mossad agent. They give him a state funeral saying, what a great Mossad agent. That's interesting. Epstein's dead. But Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of the legendary Mossad agent. Not dead. Okay. Number four. Oh, by the way, here's another side note. No. Before I go to that, hundreds, maybe thousands of men raped underage girls. [00:20:59] The only person currently in prison for it is a woman. Okay. Because the rich and powerful men we can't touch. Okay. Number four, Epstein got the red carpet treatment when visiting Israel. Number five, Epstein bankrolled major investments in Israeli tech. [00:21:16] Look, guys, this all of this mean it's definitely Mossad. And we know and we cracked the case and this is definitive proof and it would stand up in court. No no no no. The real proof is in the tapes whether they still exist or not or they were all destroyed by elves in the American government. [00:21:34] Gnomes just popped up out of nowhere. But not CIA or Mossad, just random gnomes, and just grabbed all the tapes and grabbed all the clients and grabbed all the evidence and made it disappear. But probably not connected to our government or our allies. Governments. They're trying to treat you like you're stupid. [00:21:51] They are insulting our intelligence in every way imaginable. So. So, you know, today, somebody I mean, this happens all the time. It's no big deal. It's a minor thing. Some random guy say, oh, I can't believe you're working with Tucker Carlson on this. Okay. And now Megyn Kelly has joined in, and Meghan Kelly's like, yeah, of course [00:22:08] it's legitimate to ask if it's Mossad. We don't know that it's Mossad. We're asking it's one of the most plausible theories. And people are like, oh, now you're working with Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson. I'm not working with anyone, man. We happen to be asking the same logical question can we can we all ask, hey, is it raining outside? [00:22:24] Or is that. Oh, yeah, you guys are working together and we're working together to what? Expose Donald Trump and his administration for covering this up? How is that a bad thing? Okay, look, don't believe your lying politicians. They're the ones who are constantly telling you this is no big deal. [00:22:40] Except, as always, the two exceptions, Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna know, in this case, a bunch of folks on the progressive left AOC as well questioning this, etc. Ro Khanna saying, let's have a vote right now on releasing the Epstein files. [00:22:56] Let's go. Let's put everybody on the record. Weird. Almost no other Republican or Democrat in the House is joining Ro Khanna in saying, let's expose the Epstein files. You know, Congress can do it. And he's saying, let's let's go. Let's let's put it to a vote. And all the politicians, oh, no no. [00:23:11] - No no no no no no no no no no no no way. - No way. Why? If you're a Democrat, why Trump might be on the list now magazine. - Trump might be on the list. - No no no no no no no no no. My handler I mean. - I mean. - My babysitter. I mean, my friend who just randomly happens to follow me everywhere from AIPAC, who also randomly gave me $1 million. [00:23:29] - Says, no. - But it can't be Mossad. That is the one thing you're not allowed to say. Okay, this if you don't think this is weird, you think this is normal, that both parties, me and Tucker and Megan, aren't colluding? The Republican and Democratic politicians are colluding. We're just sitting on the outside going, what the hell is going on? [00:23:49] Okay, but no, we're not allowed to ask that question. No, we are allowed. We just asked it. We all asked it forcefully. And if you try to cover it up by weaponizing bigotry to use for your own political purposes, you're a terrible person. And if you're covering up child rape, you're a terrible person. [00:24:06] And that applies to almost all of Washington. All right, Sharon, any last thoughts? I know we got to move out of here, but I do have just one last one. You know, you mentioned Ghislaine Maxwell. Why do you think we don't hear more from her? [00:24:24] She's got to know more leveraging. Why isn't she being talked about more? Because no one in power will ever talk about any of this. Because, like, folks are talking about Ghislaine Maxwell now online pretty very regularly, right? [00:24:39] I mean, Tucker brought her up. I'm bringing her up. I mean, the fact that her dad was a legendary Mossad agent and happened to just get $1 billion. It's kind of relevant. And then Epstein turns up with hundreds of millions of dollars when he doesn't even have a college degree. [00:24:55] Right. And, oh, look, the guy who gave him those hundreds of millions of dollars is an enormous supporter of his. We're not supposed to ask these questions, but the reason why it's not coming up in official circles is every politician, almost every politician in D.C., and almost every reporter in Washington, D.C. [00:25:12] Is deathly afraid of Israel. I mean, the one last thing, Sharon, to that point, when Tucker said everybody he knows in D.C. Thinks it was Mossad, I don't have the same experience. I only some of the people I know in Washington think it was Mossad. [00:25:29] But do any of those people say it publicly? No, no, because they know that if you say something like that publicly, you'll be smeared for the rest of your life. And in official circles, you'll be they'll call you an anti-Semite and try to ruin your life for asking a perfectly legitimate question. [00:25:47] So don't tell me they don't do it. When they do do it. Everyone knows they do it. That's why everyone is deathly afraid of criticizing Israel inside of Washington. So those are stone cold facts. They're doing a genocide now. We gave him another free $30 billion. Both Trump and Biden. [00:26:03] And then every time, people criticize, oh, you're not allowed to. Come on, come on. You're insulting our intelligence. No. This is a very legitimate question. And of course, the government, in its infinite corruption, will never tell us the truth. [00:26:19] Until you get one honest one in our lifetime, we could just get one honest person into the white House. And look, if the CIA did it, why don't you just say it like. Okay. Oh, yeah, that implicates the CIA. You're goddamn right it implicates the CIA. It implicates America. [00:26:35] No, it means America is cleaning up its own house. It implicates past governments. It doesn't implicate us today. It makes us look better today because we're willing to be honest. We're willing to call out our own government, our own intelligence agencies, [00:26:52] and we're willing to going forward, protect all American citizens. But the people in power in DC absolutely, positively refuse to do that. That is why everyone across the board has lost trust in government. And then they wonder, oh, why don't they like government? [00:27:08] Why do they believe conspiracy theories? Because you're a bunch of liars. And we're all sick of everyone in government and almost everyone in mainstream media lying to us our whole lives. That's why you lost credibility. Okay. It was an excited answer to your question, but. [00:27:27] No, I mean, I get it. I just, you know, the news cycles even when it's the worst, most horrific story, even when it's about war, whatever you name it, it's only going to last for so long. This one, though, feels different because you people like you, perhaps Tucker, [00:27:46] are not going to let it go. And there is that whole faction of MAGA who's saying deep state and we want the answers now. We want to know what happened. So we'll see. Every time you ring the bell, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true. [00:28:02] But it does keep you updated on our live shows.