Look, if you support what Israel is doing in Gaza right now, I would just like my advice to you guys is just know that you never have a leg to stand on claiming to be pro-life for the rest of your life. Just saying that if you. Oh, so it's okay to support. - Let's not boo our speaker, okay. - To support. [00:00:16] A policy. That is killing babies all of a sudden, killing babies is negotiable. All right. Fine. Libertarian commentator Dave Smith took on Newsweek editor Josh hammer at the Turning Point USA conference this weekend in a heated debate over Israel's war on Gaza. [00:00:34] Dave told the conservative audience straight up that if they defend Israel's genocidal campaign against the Palestinian people, they can never claim to be pro-life. Here's more of his argument and Hammer's entirely predictable response. Take a look. [00:00:50] After you deny the civilians food for three months, then you start shooting at the people who are desperately trying to get some food for them and their kids. So, no, listen, I'm sorry if you're pro-life and you say. It's a stupid argument. You should not buy this. - Guys, let Dave finish his sentence. - Shut up bro. [00:01:07] It's not an argument. - It's a. - Stupid argument. You haven't heard the argument. What's the argument? That stupid Dave, you're pro-life if you know. What's the argument? It's Hamas. That is not the argument. - You just called stupid, Dave. - Here's the argument. If you're pro-life, it's not incumbent on you to have a plan for what the mother [00:01:26] ought to do with the baby. You just say, hey, I think this option should be off the table. I don't think you have the right to murder the baby while it's inside of you. Likewise, I'm not saying I have to have the perfect plan, but how about don't deny one ounce of grain for three months and then shoot at the poor people [00:01:42] who are trying to get food. - Josh, respond. - Take that option off the table. Jake, what do you. What do you make of this? Yeah, I love it. So as one of our members said earlier in the show, like, hey, didn't you guys say all of this, like, years ago? Yeah, but that's okay. This is not about who gets credit. [00:02:00] I love that Dave Smith saying it in front of a right wing audience at Turning Point USA. By the way, they had an actual debate at Turning Point USA. So that's that's I take that as a positive sign. A lot of terrible speeches there, some interesting speeches there. [00:02:16] But, but overall, I forget everything else on this one. I love that they had this debate and I love that Dave Smith won and the crowd reacted like he won. The Israeli side is in a world of trouble. They don't realize it. But specifically this point, Jordan, we've made on The Young Turks many, many times. [00:02:35] If you're pro-life and you say, oh, Israel killed 17 to 25,000 children, and I'm not sweating it, you're not really pro-life. I mean, that's not arguable. That's just a fact. And what did the other guy say? Oh, yeah, Hamas did it. [00:02:53] That's what they always say. No they didn't. Israel did it. They dropped 2,000 pound bombs on people and murdered their kids. They literally have a program called Where's Daddy? Where they have an I pick out a guy and then but they don't kill him right away. A they wait till he gets home, so they murder his family with him. [00:03:11] Don't tell me Hamas did that. That's an Israeli program. Did you know one more fact, Jordan, that now Israel has killed more people in the food distribution centers than Hamas killed civilians on October 7th? [00:03:27] Just starving people. Clearly. No weapons getting food for their kids. Israel has murdered more of those civilians than Hamas killed. On October 7th. On civilians. So you. And that's just that just recent. [00:03:44] They just set up the food distribution centers, let alone the stadiums full of innocent women and children that Israel has murdered. Oh, but they hid in the population. They use human shields, all junk, junk, junk talking points. [00:03:59] And I can break them down one by one. I will on human shields in a second. And if you say, oh, yeah, well, how about if you're pro-choice? I'm going to answer that too. But back to you first, Jordan. Yeah, I just I gotta commend Dave Smith for not jumping across the stage and tackling Josh hammer. [00:04:15] I mean, it was just just it's frustrating. It's aggravating because, you know, you're not dealing with somebody who's willing to actually have a debate. I mean, you're saying, yeah, they had a debate. But like on that point, oh, Hamas supporter Hamas did that. Like you, they know deep down that's not true, but they are in a position and their [00:04:33] position requires them to deflect their position requires them to lie about it, to mislead, to distort reality. And it's, you know, when we have these conversations, when we cover these, these clips, these topics, these stories, [00:04:49] my blood routinely boils and I don't I, you know, I think it's important that we all find productive areas to channel that into. Otherwise you'll just go insane. And I think there have been a lot of people on the left who've found themselves a little off kilter because this story is so aggravating and this genocide is so [00:05:07] aggravating that Where's Daddy program that you're talking about one of a few different AI driven instruments that have wiped out entire family bloodlines in Gaza, and they laugh about it. The sophistication isn't even there for those programs. [00:05:24] It's just, yeah, maybe these people are affiliated with Hamas, so they don't even know. They're just wiping out entire families. On the chance that someone in the family could be involved with Hamas, that recklessness has just you see it. [00:05:43] The maps are dystopian, almost the before and after images of different parts of Gaza. The the statistics showing that nearly every hospital has at least been damaged, schools wiped out, grocery stores wiped out, [00:05:59] all the basic core infrastructure gone. And then you see Trump talking about these things like, well, this is a bad real estate deal, which he said this morning they gave up all that beachfront property. Bad deal. It's just the level of erasure and dehumanization here will make [00:06:18] even the most calm person go insane. And then you you see a clip like this where he's just like, oh, Hamas did that. You know that's not true. And the fact that these people are in positions to continue pushing these lies with zero pushback is beyond me. [00:06:36] Yeah. Well, thank God the battle has been joined. And there is some pushback now from, good folks on all sides. I'm going to get back to that in a second. Last couple points here. So number one, in case you're wondering, I mean, I've heard this human shield point a lot. Why is that garbage? Every, insurgency, good or bad. [00:06:56] You like the insurgency? You don't like the insurgency? The insurgency. Insurgency is full of insurgency is full of terrorists. Every insurgency is in the population. Why? Because if they set up a military barrack, it will be immediately destroyed [00:07:12] by the occupying force. Okay, so remove Palestine and Israel because there's been so much propaganda. Just think about it from another resistance that you've heard about another insurgency, the French Resistance. Where were they? They were deeply buried in the population because they couldn't set up [00:07:28] a military compound. If they did, the Nazis would have immediately destroyed it and killed all of them. So they logically hid in the population. So if the Nazis said, well, I mean, I, I killed 17,000 French children because [00:07:44] the French Resistance made me do it. Would you say attaboy, Nazis? Way to go. That makes sense. The goddamn French Resistance was using human shields. Of course not. You'd have to be a monster to say that. And then they say Hamas made us do it. Okay, let's break that one down for a second. [00:08:00] If they killed people that I cared about American citizens. This is my country, right? I'd be furious. If you then said to me, name a group Hamas, al Qaeda, Israel, whatever it might be, Israel's killing Americans right now as we speak. Last story. We did murder five American citizens. [00:08:16] No pushback at all. I mean, under Israeli logic, we get to kill all the Israelis. I mean, they're hiding behind their human shields. They killed us. We get to kill them. We get to kill 10,000 times more than they killed us. That's Israeli logic. Now, of course we're not going to do that because we're not monsters, right? But if you said, hey, Jake, they killed a bunch of Americans [00:08:33] that you really care about from your hometown right now, because let's and let's say it's Hamas, okay? Since Hamas did that and they're just terrible people. And these guys you used to play softball with and kickball, you love these guys, right? And they killed them. So do you want to go kill 17,000 of their children? [00:08:53] I'd be like, are you a lunatic? Are you a serial killer? Why would I want to kill 17,000 other children? Well, it's inconvenient to send in special forces and find out who actually did it. So we just want to carpet bomb them with 2,000 pound bombs. And actually, with some of them, we purposely want to murder their children. [00:09:10] Are you signing up for. I'd be like, no, I'm not signing up for that because I'm not a deeply, deeply immoral person. Whereas honestly, all the Israeli supporters at this late date are like, yeah, whatever, who cares? [00:09:25] They had it coming. Human shields. Hamas made us do it. So we murdered them all because Hamas made us do. No, Hamas didn't make you do it. You made that choice. And it's an evil choice. Okay, so that's Israeli government. Last thing is, I'm pro-choice. [00:09:41] Pro-Life guys. If you're pro-choice, they say there's some on the right now. Now flip it and go, well, well, if you're pro-choice, then why do you have a problem with Israel killing children? Are you crazy? Like pro-choice? Doesn't mean we like killing children, guys. [00:09:56] We don't think the zygote or the fetus is a child. If we thought it was a human independent child, we would. Nobody would be in favor of it. We don't think it's a child. You, on the other hand, think the zygote fetus is a child, and that child is a child, right? [00:10:13] So, like you, under your logic, you have to protect all of them because you think they're all kids. I get it, I respect that, I don't agree with it, but I respect it and I get it. Edit so if you say yes, you're the unborn. Children are super important, but the born children are irrelevant. [00:10:31] Wait, what? That doesn't make any sense at all. And that's what Dave Smith is pointing out. And that's why he was right. And he easily won that debate. But now, at this point, being an Israeli supporter at this point, when everyone sees the ethnic cleansing, everyone sees the genocide. [00:10:47] I mean, look, Gaza looks like Stalingrad. It looks worse than Stalingrad after the Germans obliterated Stalingrad. So you could tell us. Don't believe your lying eyes and ears. No. Epstein had no clients. Israel didn't destroy Gaza. [00:11:03] Hamas made us do it with their human shields. 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