Bro, these ice raids are nuts, man. Watching this, this protest on television, it's like. The raids are nuts. The the nuts. I think both sides are taking it a little too hard. Well. I don't think if the Trump administration, if they're running and they said, we're [00:00:17] going to go to Home Depot and we're going to arrest all the people at Home Depot, we're going to go to construction sites, and we're going to just like tackle people at construction. I don't think anybody would have signed up for that. They said, we're going to get rid of the criminals and the gang members first. Preach. Now, last week, Joe Rogan called out the Trump administration [00:00:35] for the right reasons for expanding the scope of their Ice raids. And he also had some pretty harsh words for the policemen who shot at an Australian journalist, a reporter with a rubber bullet during the LA demonstrations. [00:00:50] Here's a clip of that. The problem is there's cops that just shoot people with rubber bullets for no reason. Yeah. Did you see that lady, that Australian reporter that got shot? - Did you see that video? - It's pretty hilarious. It's nuts because you see the guy do it. You see the cop just look at her while she's talking. [00:01:06] She's clearly not a criminal. She's just reporting the news, and he shoots her in the leg with a rubber bullet. I can't believe that he would do this. Do you want to know why people get angry at cops? - It's like that. - That's exactly right. And so when it comes to policing, I am not under any illusion that we don't [00:01:25] need police, that we can abolish them and everything will be great. No, no, we absolutely need to reform policing. None of that has happened, which is infuriating. And that cop who shot that reporter with a rubber bullet should not only be fired, but he should be prosecuted for assault. [00:01:42] Okay. What are you doing? Shooting a journalist as she's doing her job? She wasn't causing any problems, by the way. Anyway, I love that Rogan spoke out about this, and I want to get into some of the details about who's actually being deported in just a second, because Cato Institute looked into this. [00:01:57] - But first. - Yeah. So everybody's a little bit wrong here. From the two different sides. So, Rogan's left wing critics say that, he doesn't disagree with Trump at all. Well, that doesn't make any sense. You just saw it with your own eyes, right? [00:02:12] On the other hand, when Rogan says, if he said, we're going to deport people from construction sites and stuff, nobody would have signed on. That's also not true. So there is a portion of MAGA that says, oh, yeah, yeah, from construction sites, restaurants, wherever, I don't care. [00:02:28] You're right about that. Yes, you're right about that. So, but the main point that Rogan is driving towards is true, which is most people, including the decisive voters in the middle that went with Trump, did not sign up for, you know, going in the middle of the country [00:02:46] and snatching people up. Yeah. From Home Depot, parking lots, day laborers, really. Those are the people who are going to be targeted. I mean, it's worse than that. There's people that are like, hiding in attics and and some kid climbed a tree to avoid the cops. I mean, it's just madness when. [00:03:02] Unmarked cars show up with, you know, Ice agents who are wearing plain clothes and they, like, violently snatch people up. And by the way, there's videos of this. You can all watch it. Okay. That scares people across the board. That is not what people signed up for. [00:03:18] So everybody does projection. So the MAGA guys that make the mistake of thinking that everybody thinks like they do, and America's going to love it when people are snatched up off the streets. No. And America doesn't love it. The polling shows that America hates it. And that's why Rogan has got his finger on the pulse on this one right now. [00:03:35] He doesn't on every issue, but on this issue he's right. And so and by the way, why is the left some folks on the left instinctually say that Rogan's a fascist or with Trump and and is part of a cult, etc., because they're tribalists. [00:03:52] And so they assume that Rogan thinks like they do, that they're going to be that he's going to be tribalists and only support one person or one party, right? Or one ideology. No, he's in this case. He's looking at it as as neutral. And he's right about where the American people are. So I want to talk a little bit about what the Cato Institute just released in [00:04:10] regard to data pertaining to individuals who have been targeted for deportation. And the numbers are, they should be terrifying for everybody, including American citizens. So as of June 14th, Ice had booked into detention 204,297 individuals since October 1st, 2020 [00:04:30] for the start of fiscal year 2025. Of those bookings, 65% or 133,687 individuals had no criminal convictions. So this idea that the majority of people who are being targeted have have been convicted of serious crimes. [00:04:45] That's just a lie. Okay. Moreover, more than 93% of Ice bookings were never convicted of any violent offenses. About 9 in 10 had no convictions for violent or property offenses. [00:05:00] All right. Now, again, Jake is correct to note that there is a sizable portion of Trump voters who don't care. They just want mass deportations. That is absolutely true. But the independents, the lifelong Democratic voters who switched sides [00:05:19] in this past election, did they want that? No. So that honestly fragile coalition that Trump was able to build in order to win in 2024, that's going to fall apart as these targeted, disastrous raids that have ended up deporting all sorts of people [00:05:38] who haven't actually committed any crimes, that's really going to hurt the Republican brand and the Republican Party. Now, the numbers also illustrate how the Trump administration has shifted its focus from criminals to any immigrant that they can find. In early January, Ice was arresting about 32 immigrants per day in the [00:05:55] interior who had no criminal conviction or pending charge. By early June, these arrests were approximately 453 per day, a 14 fold increase. And as The Wall Street Journal reported, this was all Stephen Miller's plan. Stephen Miller met with ice and basically said, listen, your numbers are too low, [00:06:14] so go for the low hanging fruit. That was intentional. Go to the Home Depot parking lots. Finally, I got to get to the American citizens. Because between 2015 and 2020, Ice deported at least 70 people who were U.S. Citizens, according to the Government Accountability Office. [00:06:30] In total, the watchdog found that Ice arrested 674 potential U.S. Citizens, detained 121, and ended up deporting 70. Okay. Other research suggests that that number of American citizens deported by Ice could be far higher. [00:06:46] Research by Jacqueline Stevens, a political scientist at Northwestern University, shows that up to 1% of all detainees at immigration detention centers are U.S. Citizens. If that 1% figure was constant throughout all deportations, that would mean 4000 U.S. [00:07:03] Citizens a year are deported U.S. Citizens. I'm not talking about green card holders. I'm not talking about visa holders. I'm talking about American citizens getting deported. So a quick point about this. That's why you need due process. Yes. Because without due process, then you're accidentally deporting U.S. [00:07:19] Citizens. And that's unacceptable to everyone. So now I've got to tell you about one other fact that's critical. So Obama was known as the deporter in chief, why he deported more people than any other president in one year. He did about almost 430,000 removals. Right. [00:07:36] So how come Obama's policies weren't as inflammatory and controversial as Donald Trump is part of it, because the media treats Obama better than Trump? Yes, part of it is about that. But there's also a real substantive reason, because Obama did two things. [00:07:54] He did, secure cities that so that whenever an undocumented immigrant was picked up for a crime and convicted, they were immediately removed. Okay. A lot of liberal cities got rid of that and made sanctuary cities. [00:08:11] So that is partly why the Democratic, policies seem to shift. And so we went away from secure cities. But that was working and it was popular. And it was aimed at just getting rid of undocumented criminals. [00:08:26] Right. Okay. But the other thing that he did is he processed them at the border. So instead of just returning them, which Bill Clinton broke the record on removal and return both Democratic presidents. Right. Obama would process them so that if they returned, they would be [00:08:42] banned from the country for ten years. If they returned. Twice, they'd be banned forever. So that was an efficient way of returning folks. But going through a process to make sure that they didn't have a human rights claim and asylum claim. So then you do the right thing in treating them legally, [00:08:59] but you also return them quicker. Right. So it's a win win. But what Obama didn't do even as he was breaking records on removal, was going in the middle of the country and uproot people who had been there for ten years, 20 years, five years, etc. [00:09:14] And separate out families. That seems much more cruel and I think it is more cruel. And that is why people are objecting to this. And by the way, the reason Stephen Miller is told him in early June, you better get going is because it's really bothering him that Trump can't break Obama's record. [00:09:31] It's so pathetic. It's just it is. It's so childish and ridiculous. But now they're doing it in a way that is not popular, and it's driving down their numbers on immigration. He actually got to an unpopular number on immigration when he was when Trump was sky high in the beginning, when he was just sending away the criminals. [00:09:48] Right. Or we thought, the criminals. Then you find out, of course, he did a sloppy job, as always, didn't do his homework and included a whole bunch of people. In fact, a majority of people he shouldn't have said. I agree. Yep. Every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true, but it does keep you updated on our live shows.