Oct 22, 2024
Kamala Harris FLAUNTS Hawkishness With New Pal Liz Cheney
Vice President Kamala Harris teamed up with former Republican congresswoman Liz Cheney to campaign across battleground states.
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The Harris campaign really believes
that there are enough
disenchanted Republicans that could make
the difference in this election,
especially in those key swing states,
swing states, that so-called blue wall
that is so critical for Harris to pick up.
And you heard Liz Cheney yesterday make an
urgent plea to some of these Republicans
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that they can vote however they want
in the ballot box, but they don't have
to tell their friends about it.
And that is what the Harris campaign
is banking on, that there are so many
Republicans, exhausted, in their view,
by Donald Trump, that they may be able
to switch, at least for this election.
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Kamala Harris and Republican Liz Cheney
held town halls in Michigan
and Wisconsin yesterday in an attempt to
essentially convince disillusioned
Never-trump Republicans to cast their
ballots for the vice president over Trump.
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Now, some hawkishness unfortunately ensued
because let's keep it real.
That's who Liz Cheney is.
She is a neo con, and the real question
is, while Harris is trying to build
this coalition of Democratic voters,
traditional Democratic voters and neo
conservatives, does that mean that should
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she get elected, it will translate to neo
con policies within her white House?
Now, during the town hall in Wisconsin,
Cheney tried to specifically ease the
nerves of Republican voters who do believe
in the neo conservative philosophy.
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Let's hear what she had to tell them.
I also know, because I have spent time
with Vice President Harris,
because I have come to understand what she
believes about how she will govern, that
she will be a president for all Americans,
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that she's committed to listening
and committed to having viewpoints,
some of which, you know, come from
different ends of the political spectrum.
And and if you think about how you
conduct, you know, your life
outside of politics, how we all conduct
our everyday lives, those are
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the kinds of people that you trust.
Those are the kinds of people
you can work with.
The strength of our democracy
requires a strong two party system.
It really does.
It requires that we have healthy debate,
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that we have healthy debate based on,
you know,
based in logic and fact and that we we
debate it out, have good vigorous debates,
have a good fight over policy.
So, you know, the message there is you
might have your reservations about casting
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a ballot for a Democratic candidate,
especially since the neoconservative
ideology differs so considerably from what
traditionally Democrats have believed in.
But don't worry, Kamala Harris is open
minded to our ideas and our influence.
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That's at least the messaging
that I got out of that answer.
But I'm curious
what your interpretation was.
So look, I get the logic of both sides.
And so I read an interesting piece
with David Plouffe,
who's on the Kamala's team now.
And so they're of course,
trying to get those undecided voters.
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And yes, they still exist,
believe it or not.
And yes, now some senior, citizens, older
voters above 65 are just gradually going
towards Kamala Harris, a little bit more.
And some non-college educated
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white voters, which is Trump's base,
are going towards Kamala a little bit.
So trying to reach out and say
she's bipartisan, you can trust her.
She's normal.
She's, you know,
going to bring us back to sanity.
I get the logic of that,
right at the same time saying I'm open to
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every idea, including the Cheney's ideas
about foreign policy.
Not a good idea. Okay.
And that's not
what the voters are looking for.
The voters are very anti-war,
right wing, left wing.
It doesn't matter.
And the polling indicates that the Dick
Cheney was enormously unpopular at 13%
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in the last poll taken of him, 13%.
I mean, wrapping your arms
around a guy at 13% and his family and his
way of thinking before an election.
I mean, they they might look back
at that and go, wow, that is the most
questionable thing anybody's ever done.
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Why would you go towards
the least popular person in politics?
Somebody made a great analogy today.
They're like,
it would be like Bill Clinton,
because he's about the same time frame
as he was running, going, you know what?
I love Richard Nixon,
and I'm thinking of putting Nixon's allies
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in my cabinet because I'm bipartisan
and I'm in search of good ideas.
What good ideas did Nixon have?
By the way, he actually said
some liberal organizations, some
liberal parts of the government because he
was forced to back because back then we
had enormous power and strength, like the.
- EPA, if I'm not.
- Mistaken, EPA, OSHA, etc..
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So actually, that's a worse example
than Dick Cheney, because I
can't think of a single good idea
to Dick Cheney's ever had.
So what are we going to debate with them?
Should we invade Iraq or Iran?
Is that a debate or Syria?
Who are we going to invade?
I've never seen Dick Cheney have any
good ideas, and neither has the American
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public, so I can see both sides of it.
But being this aggressively pro Cheney
is almost definitely the wrong way to go.
Because, guys,
it's not just Liz Cheney or no one.
You could use Adam Kinzinger, you could
use other Republicans that have turned.
Right. I have to bring them in.
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I have a different proposal.
Although the proposal wouldn't
really work out for Kamala Harris
in regard to fundraising.
I mean, she did bring in a $6 million
haul from J Street, for instance.
But remember the two states
that I was referring to earlier,
the two states in which these women just
had these two town halls were Wisconsin.
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You're watching clips from that,
but also the state of Michigan.
And so I think it's telling that Kamala
Harris's campaign is far more willing
to make a deal with the devil
to maybe increase her share of voters
in the swing state of Michigan,
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when we already know a pretty simple way
in which Kamala Harris could increase
her support in the state of Michigan.
And what would
that pretty easy way be, Jake?
So if she just said,
I'm in favor of a weapons embargo,
if they don't do a cease fire immediately.
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Yeah.
Israel, in Israel,
you would pick up five points in Michigan.
And right now she needs it
because she's losing.
Look, everybody's got different polls
and everybody loves to look at the polls
that they believe in okay.
But you look at the real clear Politics
average of polls, not just the average of
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polls, but the last seven polls.
She's tied in one
and is losing in the other six.
So the most recent polls now,
even if you found one where you thought,
oh my gosh, she's tied or she's leading,
the momentum is clearly going towards
Trump and she's losing Michigan now.
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And in that interview with David Plouffe,
he acknowledged that Michigan is tough,
that the blue wall states are tough,
and that it's going to be
a razor thin election.
Now, it doesn't have to be a razor
thin election, especially in Michigan.
If she calls for a weapons embargo
or cutting the funding of Israel, she'll
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definitely win Michigan and then she'll
probably definitely win the election.
But isn't that amazing?
And doesn't that tell you everything
you need to know about American politics?
That she would rather lose the election
than defy any of her donors?
Well, she's really under the assumption
that she could win the election
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by moving forward with the strategy
that we're talking about here,
the strategy of aligning herself with
neocons in order to increase her support.
But remember, Liz Cheney was ousted from
Congress by voters in her district, right?
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She is not less relevant, though.
No, but like.
Neocons, aren't even popular
among Republican voters.
No, no,
you're absolutely right about that.
But she lost
because she was against Trump.
And and Wyoming is Trump obsessed.
And so okay, the dear Leader.
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Understand.
That the Dear Leader
told them to eliminate her.
So they did. Okay.
So look, I again, I respect Liz Cheney
for blowing up her career
to do the right thing.
So yes, I give her credit for that. Yeah.
That doesn't then mean that I would go
out of my way to campaign alongside her
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with this delusional idea that I'm going
to pick up a bunch of Republican votes.
Yeah.
And that's the thing
that's maybe even more important, which is
that they don't understand the voters.
They including the Republican voters
and the undecided voters, they think, oh,
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if I go more towards traditional
Republicans by being neocon
and loving corporate CEOs and stuff,
I'm going to get Republican votes.
But you're on the old political spectrum
of right and left when you should be
on the political spectrum
of a populist or establishment.
Right.
So when you're going more towards
the establishment, you're not necessarily
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picking up right wing votes
like they're not interested in Jeb Bush.
I mean, there's like seven Republicans
left in the country
who like the bushes and the Cheneys.
- All low energy.
- Yeah.
And so, like, they think, no.
And this is part of their delusion that is
so important because they still think
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that as soon as Trump is gone, no,
the Republican Party is going
to go right back to Mitch McConnell
and Bob Dole and all,
and Mitt Romney and stuff, because that's
how Republican voters actually think.
And we're in some period
that's an aberration.
And that once Trump leaves,
the fever will break.
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No, no, the party has changed completely.
Now Trump is pro-war
and he's a giant liar, but his base is
actually anti-war and his base is.
That's correct. Yeah.
And if when he.
Well, I almost said when
because right now he is winning.
But if he wins and then he goes
and starts a giant war in the Middle East,
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which he almost certainly will do.
His base is parts of his base.
Of course, a huge part of his base
is going to be like, yes, sir,
we always wanted a war, sir.
What else do you want, dear leader?
How can we get you more money?
Right.
Etc. But a significant.
And they're going to be shocked by this.
A significant chunk
of his base is going to go.
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We said no war.
What part of that was confusing?
In fact, I mean, look, we have fairly
recent history to to reflect on.
Right?
I mean, I remember when Trump
was about to do a strike in Iran
and start a war with Iran in his term, his
first term, the actual America First crowd
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within his base were furious about it.
And so that is real, right?
Like that, that that contingent
within his base does exist.
So we'll see how this all plays out.
But, you know, the messaging
from Kamala Harris herself in the context
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of this town hall was also fascinating.
She reflected on her time
as a United States senator.
And here's what she had to say about
her favorite part of serving in that role.
When I was in the Senate
for those four years that I was there,
my favorite committee
was the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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And I'm going to tell you why we
would walk into that meeting in a skiff,
which is a secure room.
We'd have to leave our cell phones
outside the press with all due respect,
were not allowed in.
No cameras. People would walk in.
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Democrats and Republicans take off their
suit jacket, roll up their sleeves,
and we dispense with who was a Republican
and who was a Democrat.
We're all funded by the same donors
and weapons manufacturers
and private contractors.
I loved the Senate
Intelligence Committee meetings.
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Anyway, maybe I'm being unfair,
but really, that was your favorite part.
That was your favorite part
of being a senator.
So guys, that goes to the same exact thing
we were just talking about.
Because if you live in a world where you
think the fever is going to break
and it's the Republicans and Democrats,
I'm going to get more Republicans
if I tell them I'm bipartisan and in favor
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of the intelligence community that has
launched so many disastrous wars and has,
you know, taken all of our money
and thrown it in the garbage
or to the defense contractors.
ET cetera.
Well, yeah.
If you were in the 1990s, that would work.
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I know it's stunning, but that's
because people only watch television.
And in television they told you
a bipartisan is amazing.
Bipartisan is the greatest thing
in the world.
When they agree to invade Iraq,
it's awesome when they agree
to do corporate tax cuts, it's awesome.
Right?
So but if you live in the real world
today, saying that you love
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the Intelligence Committee
is going more towards the establishment,
not towards the populist, undecided,
independent right wing voters
that you want to capture.
So you just literally don't understand
who the voting base is.
And so it's guys stuck in, in,
politics that are decades old.
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Yeah.
And they just they can't snap out of it.
They can't see clearly.
So no matter how much they see,
they go, no, no, we're going
to get those Bob Dole voters.
Bob Dole is not around, brother.
You're in a different planet.
One more clip
from their Wisconsin town hall.
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And then I want to turn to the pressure
campaign to reward Liz Cheney.
Okay, but first final clip
from this town hall.
The world is.
Watching this election, and our allies
are worried because the reality is that
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when we, as the United States of America
walk in these rooms around the world,
we walk in chin up, shoulders back with
the earned and self-appointed authority
to talk about the importance of democracy
and rule of law and being a role model.
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This is a room of role models.
We know as a role model,
people watch what you do
to see if it matches up to what you say.
One of my very real fears,
Charlie, to be candid, is I hope that we,
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as the American people, fully understand
how important America is to the world.
She said that with a straight face,
like she really believed.
I think she really believes
what she just said.
You want to talk about the rule of law?
Does that include international law?
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- Does that include international law?
- No, of course not.
No. As the United States is any aiding
and abetting and providing cover for all
sorts of war crimes that are currently
being committed by our ally, Israel.
Yes. Again, they're stuck in the 1990s.
They think we'll just lie
and and no one will catch us.
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We'll pretend we're for the rule of law,
and we'll let Israel break every law there
is and commit every war crime that is
and will fund it.
And no one will notice, because we'll have
Chris Matthews, who you're going to see.
He's back in a second.
And Morning Joe and all those guys lie and
tell everybody that Israel is a moral army
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that isn't breaking any laws.
So but the internet exists.
The entire Democratic leadership class
is frozen in amber in the 1990s.
And they still think like, oh, we'll just
get Morning Joe in the moo to tell our
propaganda, and we'll win this election.
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No, people aren't interested.
Look here guys.
Another giant point.
So these are super rough numbers,
but it doesn't matter what the numbers are
because the scale is the is right.
Right.
So a lot of people make this point online.
There's about 4 million Republicans
that you could potentially maybe get
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if you're the Kamala Harris campaign.
- But there's 26 million progressives.
- Okay, I know, but who cares about them?
But those progressives are not sure
whether they're going to vote for you
or they're going to vote third party,
or they're going to stay home
because they're so bothered by your policy
on Gaza, and they're bothered by the fact
that the Democrats barely ever deliver.
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Did it ever occur to anyone
on Kamala Harris's team?
And this is a legitimate question,
and I think the answer is no.
Did it ever occur to any of them that you
might want to pick up progressive votes?
Isn't that amazing that it's seems like
it's never even occurred to them?
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Do you see Bernie Sanders
being pushed out?
Do you see a town hall that Kamala Harris
is doing with Bernie Sanders, or someone
along those lines and talking about health
care and talking about higher wages?
Health care is not even
on anyone's radar in this election.
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Okay.
The opportunity to actually use the very
temporary influence and power progressives
had in this country was squandered.
It was.
And we're going to talk
about that later on the show.
It was squandered.
And now there is no discussion
about improving our health care system.
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There is no discussion about any
of the economic populist ideas
that progressives purported
to care about but didn't fight for.
Okay, they fought for other things
that ended up leading to a lot
of backlash among the electorate.
And that's why we are here today
talking about the Democratic Party
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moving toward the neocons.
And I'm pissed about that.
Yeah, but I'm the right winger, right?
I'm the right winger.
I'm the right winger
because I don't like the neocons,
because I don't like the wars, because I
want economic policies, not this garbage.
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So, look, I. Get why I'm the right winger.
On that on that front.
If you don't know
what Anna is referring to.
So I get that people who are looking
at it at a surface level and didn't watch
Anna's interview with Jillian Michaels,
or any of the things that she said on
this show and other places they might go,
oh, she's really disgruntled
with the Democratic Party, I am okay.
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And hence, in my binary mind,
I think that means she's a right winger.
I'm not okay.
But what I can't understand is that people
who did watch the interview and people
who do hear you on The Young Turks going,
oh, she really upset at Democrats
for being pro neocon, pro corporate CEOs.
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She wants them to be more populist,
care about universal health care,
higher wages, getting out of Gaza.
That's why she's a right winger.
But wait, does do facts matter anymore?
No, they don't matter anymore.
- They don't.
- Really matter anymore because.
The esthetics of progressivism is far
more important than actual progressivism.
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Actual policies that lift people up,
that actually help marginalized
people across the board,
universal economic policies that do lead
to increased wages and things like that.
That stuff doesn't matter.
That stuff doesn't matter,
because we have fragmented activist groups
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who have their little pet project
that they shove down everyone's throat.
And if you don't agree 100%,
well, then you must be a right winger.
I'm done with this dumb politics.
Okay, this is dumb.
Totally dumb.
So now that brings us to Chris Matthews,
because Chris Matthews is going to tell
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you who the New Democratic Party is.
And then you tell me if the New
Democratic Party is to the left of us
or to the right of us.
- Yeah.
- Tell me how this tastes.
Progressives, take a look.
I wouldn't think a few years ago
I would ever be singing the praises
of a Cheney member of the family,
a member of that family.
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I really did not like the Iraq War,
and I didn't like the neocons.
And Cheney was leading them all,
and he took us into that war,
and it killed almost 200,000 people
in Iraq, and it served no purpose.
Those two women, as you say on that stage,
is remarkable because there's
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such courage there from Liz Cheney.
And I have I cannot say anything
that would stop me
from saying she's been unbelievable.
I also want to say something
about the Democrats.
If you're going to use her, repay her.
When you get into office,
don't just act like you're giving
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a little nod to a Republican.
Clean up some of your act.
You got problems, Democrats.
You don't have all the answers.
You got to you got to do
much tougher action on the border.
- You have to get serious about it.
- Okay.
So, Chris Matthews and I'll tell you
what role he's played in mainstream media.
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If you're too young to remember,
because it's an amazing role.
And he just played it again there.
I like that they brought back, like
a legend of the television screen, news
actor extraordinaire to give this speech.
So he's like, now remember,
Democrats be more Republican
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and make sure that it's you're not just
using the Cheneys as window dressing.
Give them real power.
Yeah, we can go back
to starting World wars.
A cabinet position.
But remember, Chris Matthews was against
the Iraq War and against the Cheneys.
Was he because I was around?
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I we've been around 22 years,
longest running show in internet history.
And we covered Chris Matthews
when he was massively for the Iraq war.
Later, like Trump, he lied about it.
Okay, I got the quotes to prove it to you.
I know because I put them in my book.
Tyt.com/justice to get justice is coming.
Here's some of the quotes.
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May 1st, 2003.
Do you remember when Bush landed
on the aircraft carrier
with a giant Mission Accomplished banner?
In fact, that was the one thing that Bush
said was a mistake because he preemptively
declared that we had accomplished
the mission and that Iraq war was over,
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and we had won,
and they had thrown roses at our feet.
Right.
And then, oops,
it turns out we hadn't won.
And it was a disaster.
This is what Chris Matthews
said on that night when he gave the worst
speech of his presidency, George W Bush,
and was humiliated,
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so much so that he admitted it later.
Matthews said about Bush, he won the war.
He was an effective commander.
Everybody recognizes that,
I believe, except a few critics.
Okay, then he said that this landing
on the aircraft carrier,
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pretending to be a pilot when he hid
the entire Vietnam War, not being a pilot.
He said this was, quote,
an amazing display of leadership.
He didn't actually go into the war.
He did a photo op, you schmuck.
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But wait, it gets worse. Last one.
We're proud of our president.
Americans love having a guy as president,
a guy who has a little swagger, who's
physical, who's not a complicated guy.
They want a guy who's president.
Women like a guy who's president.
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Check it out. The women like this war.
I think we like having a hero
as our president.
It's simple.
He just told you
that he was against the Iraq war.
And he.
- This morning on Morning Joe.
- Yeah.
And he also demanded that the
Democratic Party should Kamala Harris win?
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Provide a cabinet position for Liz Cheney
for her incredible leadership.
Now, Liz Cheney did the right thing
once in her career
by fighting back against what Donald Trump
intended to do in overturning
the 2020 presidential election.
For that, she deserves credit.
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She blew up her whole political career
in order to do the right thing.
She deserves credit for that.
Her policies have been and always will
be dog crap, and I don't want that to be
absorbed into the Democratic Party.
Okay.
You should want to support a party
that actually represents your values.
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Yeah. So, guys, last thing on this.
It's just like,
what's the point of supporting a party
that doesn't represent your values?
Unless all you care about
is the name brand.
That's what it is. 100% so.
And yet, of course,
I'm voting against Trump.
And I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris
because I'm voting against Trump.
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Because Trump's a lunatic and Republicans
try nominating a non lunatic.
You might win in a landslide Anyways,
so I told you.
What's the role of Chris Matthews
in American media?
His job is to be the pretend Democrat
that pushes the Democrats to the right.
So that's why he worked for tip O'Neill.
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And he was a legendary Democrat
back in the 1970s, and they would
always use that in their marketing.
Chris Matthews,
lifelong Democrat who worked
for speaker of the House tip O'Neill.
Even he agrees.
Dick Cheney is absolutely right
about everything.
George Bush is an American hero who won
the Iraq War and saved all of our lives.
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Even Chris Matthews agrees.
So they brought him back to do that.
Why?
Because Joe Scarborough,
who was also a Republican,
Nicolle Wallace is a Republican.
Michael Steele is a Republican.
Nicolle Wallace is a Republican.
Almost entire MSNBC lineup
are Republicans, and they've taken over
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the Democratic Party.
And here they are, two Republicans
pretending to be Democrats,
telling you, we got to bring back
the bushes and the Cheneys so that the
Democratic Party could be more grown up.
And if you don't remember,
Chris Matthews also said in when they all
panicked that Bernie might win in 2020.
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He did a segment where he said,
If Bernie Sanders wins,
we might get executed in Central Park
because he's such a communist.
Okay, so that's who these guys are.
And if you think they're to the left of us
or the old Democratic Party
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or Bernie Sanders,
you're you just don't understand anything.
Okay?
You literally don't understand
politics at all.
No. They've gone massively right wing.
And it is not populist.
It is pro-establishment.
It is corporate media and corporate
politicians saying this party's ours.
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We want the Democratic Party and we're
in control of the Democratic Party.
So it's a fair criticism to say,
then why are you even voting for that?
Because the other guy says,
hey, if I don't like my vice president,
he should be murdered
and we should terminate the Constitution.
So please, someone nominate a non lunatic,
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non warmonger, non-corporate pleaser.
And but you know America
because bribery is legal.
That is near impossible.
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