The plot has thickened in the ongoing saga of political journalist Olivia Nuzzi and the aftermath of her digital affair with the unhinged former presidential candidate JFK Jr. Now, you may recall that Nuzi was engaged to a writer for Politico. [00:00:17] His name is Ryan Lizza. When news broke of her affair, well, now she's actually accusing him, who's now, by the way, her ex-fiance of blackmail and harassment in a new civil protection order that she filed against him. So the protection order was filed in Washington, D.C. [00:00:35] Superior Court Magistrate Judge Robert Holdom basically granted a temporary protection order that lasts through October 15th. And then on October 15th, they're going to have another hearing, and I guess they'll decide how to proceed moving forward. [00:00:52] So what exactly is Olivia Nuzzi alleging about Ryan Lizza in her petition filed in D.C. Superior Court, Nazi accused Lizza of threatening to make public personal information about me to destroy my life, career and reputation, [00:01:08] a threat he has since carried out. She also alleged that Lizza stole a personal device from her. I'm going to assume that it's her phone. Threaten to share the materials from the device with the media. [00:01:24] But if true, this is not good behavior. Okay. Like, look, I'm going to bring you in right now, John. Yeah. I don't I don't know. I don't know about you. Like Christian and I like 1,000,000% respect each other's privacy. Because if homeboy is cheating or if I'm cheating, [00:01:41] eventually we're going to find out. Okay. But for me, like the psycho behavior of checking someone's phone or, like, snooping around and invading their privacy is just not a good sign of a healthy relationship. Yeah. I don't you definitely don't steal your partner's phone. [00:01:58] I think it's stupid because they'll notice that they don't have it anymore and they'll know that you stole it. Instead, you just copy all the data off of it, and then you have that backup. You can give that to the journalist, maybe Ken Klippenstein, I don't know. And he's banned on Twitter. It may not be the best investment, but no, I'm kidding. No, all every part of this story is terrible. [00:02:15] I haven't honestly really even been following the story because it just makes me so uncomfortable. Every part of it. I don't know any of these people. RFK Jr was a gym once when I was there, but aside from that, I don't know any of the parties in this story. [00:02:30] I don't have a dog in the fight, I don't know, are they good people? Are they bad? Like, did he steal it because he's the sort of person who does that? Or was he so angry that he found out they had this relationship, that he was like, well, at least I'll make a story out of it. [00:02:45] I don't, I don't know, both are bad, by the way, but they're different sorts of bad. I just, I feel bad for like not necessarily everyone. I don't feel bad for RFK Jr about much these days, but I don't know. I just it's a really uncomfortable Situation. It probably doesn't help for any of them that anything that happens [00:03:02] in this is going to automatically become public knowledge. Yeah. And so the whole thing is just super uncomfortable. So look, good on you for being better than me and not feeling drawn to a story like this. Okay. I don't, I don't care, I'll admit it. I'm drawn to the story. [00:03:19] And I'll also admit something else is probably going to be very unpopular. I don't know why, but for some reason, out of everyone involved, like, I'm kind of rooting for Nutsy because I feel like, I don't know, there's a lot that's happened that I like, don't like RFK Jr. S allies [00:03:39] going to the New York Post and trashing her and saying that she's like, oh, she was chasing him with porn. And like, I don't believe any of that. And by the way, this story will clarify some of the reasons why I don't believe any of that. But look, what she did was wrong. I've admitted that. Okay, if you're having a personal relationship with a presidential Candidate [00:03:58] that you're profiling, by the way, and reporting on that is unethical. Okay. I 1,000,000% agree with that criticism, but I do not agree with, like, demonizing her and trying to, like, destroy the rest of her life. That's ridiculous. By the way, she also alleged in that court filing that Ryan Lizza [00:04:16] impersonated an anonymous campaign operative and allegedly contacted a political campaign with Hot Goss. He didn't say that. She didn't say that meant to destroy his career. I added the hot goss, but, like, you know, basically the information to try to destroy her career in the last few months, [00:04:33] it is my understanding that he began hacking my devices for the purpose of stalking and surveilling me, and to collect materials that could be used as blackmail to intimidate me back into a relationship with Lizza. Gross. She also alleges that Lizza threatened her with physical violence [00:04:51] to force her into assuming his share of financial responsibility to a joint contract with a book publisher. Nuzi and Lizza were collaborating on a highly anticipated book on the 2020 presidential campaign. Their publisher paused the project in December of 2021. [00:05:12] Okay, I think there's a really important lesson to learn from this. Okay. If you work in media, do not, under any circumstance date someone else in media. Like it's such a bad idea. Don't get engaged. Don't do like business ventures. Don't write a book. [00:05:27] I mean, you could write a book with someone else who's in the media, but it shouldn't be your your fiance. Like, you get what I'm saying? Like. Like your personal life should be different from your work life. Okay? It should be a break from your work life. Like how this is actually a blessing in disguise, John. [00:05:42] It really is. Because. Can you imagine the devastating existence of having to come home to your journalist husband? I don't want to come home to a journalist husband or a politician husband. I want to come home to someone who's not involved in any of that stuff. [00:05:58] I need a break. I need a break. I love Anna like John. Can you imagine the unique hell of being married to a journalist? I guess I can. Yeah. Thanks. By the way, also, my wife is in media. [00:06:15] Hold on. But she's not. She's not like. It's different. She does like, entertainment stuff. What? I mean, John. No, but you're. Describing her experience of being married to me. No, you're totally missing it. When two parties are in the same industry. That's what I'm trying to say in the exact when they're doing the same work. [00:06:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I do agree with you that that it's maybe a blessing in disguise. Not necessarily the same blessing that you're saying. I imagine that assuming their relationship was what I assume most relationships are, which is until it all fell apart. It was good, although there was the cheating, so maybe maybe it wasn't. [00:06:50] It's got to be at least devastating for one of the two. Probably both of the two. But that said, in terms of career stuff, I mean, I think we all understand how the modern world works. They're all made in the shade off of this. [00:07:06] They can launch Substacks and they can write a book and they can do a podcast. And the fact that all of this happened like, yeah, maybe it makes it more difficult for them to theoretically have some traditional jobs, but they'll probably end up getting paid eight times as much in whatever independent venture they set up. Again, that doesn't mean that, you know, they're not experiencing, [00:07:23] you know, emotional or psychological distress right now, but it'll almost certainly financially pay off. What? Wait. Hold on, I. Okay. Their names have never been bigger as a result of this scandal. They're all over the place. - Yeah, true, but. - That's how it works. [00:07:41] I think this could potentially be devastating for Nazis. Political, journalism. Here we are. Yes, we are. In a misogynistic society, it's entirely possible that she'll be harder hit by this than he will coming out of it. But her profile is raised And again, maybe, you know, some misogynistic workplace or whatever doesn't want to hire her later. [00:07:59] But again, that doesn't stop her from setting up a Substack or writing a book or launching a podcast or whatever independently. And her profile is, again, much higher than it was previous to this. - I don't know, I could be wrong. - I could be wrong. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Now. She hasn't been officially fired from New York magazine. [00:08:16] She's on leave pending a third party investigation into her reporting to see if there was any, you know, bad reporting as a result of her relationship with RFK Jr. But I should also note that Lizza denies all of this, saying that he is saddened that my ex-fiance would resort to making a series [00:08:36] of false accusations against me in a way to divert attention from her own personal and professional failings. I emphatically deny these allegations, and I will defend myself against them vigorously and successfully. All right. We'll see how successful you'll be in court. [00:08:53] So we'll see how this plays out. But I just feel like someone like Olivia Nuzzi, who was like one of the star, you know, journalists at New York magazine, it's probably not going to feel great about just doing Substack. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing Substack. [00:09:08] I just launched my own. But, you know, I mean, her, she was on a klippenstein. Yeah, I freed up. Follow Ken's reporting over at Substack. He's amazing. I'm always going to be a fan of his work because he does important work, [00:09:24] especially when it comes to the State Department and foreign policy. So check it out. I'm a big fan of Substack and all the independent journalists, not all of them, but there are some wonderful independent journalists over there. Thanks for watching the video, guys. 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