Nov 7, 2023
Former Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan said it loud and clear to Kasie Hunt on CNN International...President Joe Biden needs to drop out of the 2024 presidential race.
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It scares the hell out of me.
I can tell you that, because those poles
are matching what I hear on the ground
here in Ohio and what my friends are
hearing, you know, across the country, is,
is that they want a new politics.
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They want to move in another direction.
They don't want Biden to run
and they don't want Trump to run.
This is not breaking news.
I don't think the president should run.
I don't think Trump should run.
I don't think President Biden should run.
Former Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan
is the latest Democrat
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to openly call for President Joe Biden
to drop out of the 2024 presidential race.
Now, the latest New York Times
Siena College poll, which we did talk
about in great detail yesterday,
is really leading to these individuals
ringing the alarms, encouraging Biden
to really rethink running for reelection
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because of what's at stake here.
Now, remember what I said
when I initially covered
the New York Times Siena College poll?
Biden can't, on one hand say that Trump
poses a massive threat to this country,
a massive threat to the democracy,
while simultaneously insisting that he run
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for a second term, knowing full well
that poll after poll shows him to be
either neck and neck with Donald Trump or
in some cases even trailing Donald Trump.
But that New York Times Siena College poll
shed light on something
even more important, which is
when it comes to key battleground states,
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Biden is actually trailing Trump.
And we also have some new details
about this poll,
which I'll get to in just a moment.
You don't want to miss the details on
that, but just as a refresher, or in case
you missed the original reporting on this,
I want to give you the results in regard
to these key battleground states.
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So if you look at this chart,
it'll show you exactly what we're
what we are referring to.
So when you look at Nevada,
Trump leads Biden by ten points.
In Arizona.
Trump leads Biden by five points.
In Pennsylvania,
Trump leads Biden by four points.
Georgia it's six points.
Michigan five points.
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In Wisconsin,
Biden is leading Trump by two points.
But obviously, based on these results, if
they actually stayed the same on Election
Day when the general election takes place,
it's very clear that Trump would have
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the Electoral College votes to easily
win president of the United States
or win as president of the United States.
Now, with that said, now that you know
exactly what Tim Ryan was reacting to,
why don't we hear a little more
of what he had to say?
People see the president as older,
and it's tough to get rid of that stigma.
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They don't feel the economic plan
working and his name is on it.
And look, I voted for that stuff.
I think it's great stuff.
But you can't message to somebody,
you know, to feel differently
than how they feel.
And I think that's what they're doing.
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And so people I think are a little bit
more nostalgic about, you know,
Trump being in office
because I'm not sure things were were
better then, but they felt like they were
maybe even a pre pandemic.
And that's how they feel.
And you've got to respect that.
So the message has got
to be we got a ton of more work to do.
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This is we've been
industrialized for 40 years.
We've had globalization
and automation I know you're hurting.
We're taking this brick by brick step by
step, and we got to keep building on what
we did and then and then lay out a little
bit more of your futuristic agenda, but
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to just tell them they're doing better.
Look, I'm a Democrat,
but that's just not going to work.
I think Tim Ryan
is exactly right about that.
So the Biden gnomic speeches that Biden
has been engaging in have not been
persuasive to the American people, because
the economy is different today compared
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to what it was when Trump was in charge.
Obviously, the coronavirus pandemic
erased some of the progress that was made
under the Biden administration,
economically speaking.
And mostly what I'm talking about there
has to do with how well the stock market
was doing, which I want to be clear,
not every American has buy in
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when it comes to the stock market.
The majority of shares are actually
owed owned by the top 10% of the country.
But there are also a lot of people who
have their 401 s tied to the stock market.
A lot of people have their pensions
tied to the stock market.
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And so when you start seeing
the stock market decline,
that does impact some ordinary people.
But on top of that, what Tim Ryan is
also trying to point out is that inflation
is hurting ordinary Americans.
Right?
So when you hear the president of the
United States give these glowing speeches
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about how wonderful the economy is
and how much he's accomplished,
well, maybe he accomplished some policies
which somewhere down the line, people will
see the benefits of when it comes to the
infrastructure bill that he championed.
And that was watered down
and finally passed through Congress.
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Yes, there are definitely some projects
involved that make communities better,
that provide more construction.
Jobs, but at the end of the day,
these are the types of projects
that take some time to come into fruition.
What people are feeling
every single day in their pocketbooks is
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how much they're paying for gas, how much
more they're paying for their groceries.
And when you have the president message
something entirely different message
that he's actually accomplished wonderful
things for the economy, well, that
actually ends up triggering Americans.
Not in a good way, in a very bad way.
It's like, wait, why is he lying to us?
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Our dollar is not stretching
the way that it used to.
The other thing to also keep in mind is
there are obviously higher interest rates
in order to tamp down on inflation.
So the Federal Reserve has, of course,
increased interest rates.
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And that increases the cost of borrowing.
So people who were in the market
for a home thinking of buying a home,
suddenly they're dealing with a situation
where prices for these homes
haven't really come down at all.
It's just that the cost of borrowing
in order to get a mortgage to pay for
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that home has become far more expensive.
So people are struggling economically.
There's no question about it.
And I don't think it does Biden any favors
to message something entirely different.
At the same time, the way he
messages clearly is not effective.
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His he's never really
been a great speaker.
We all know
that he's not really charismatic.
So I think that's working
against him as well.
And of course, as we've talked about
multiple times on this show, he is
suffering from the fact that he is older.
As I mentioned earlier,
Donald Trump is also older, but Donald
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Trump doesn't appear to be like the way he
carries himself tends to be a little more
animated, a little more energetic
than what you get from Joe Biden.
So I do think that Joe Biden's age
is working against him far more than
Donald Trump's age is working against him.
And that's also clear in the polling.
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Now, the other thing I want
to just quickly mention is that, you know,
Tim Ryan isn't the only Democrat
who has come out following this New
York Times Siena College poll,
you know, ringing the alarms,
encouraging Biden to drop out of the race.
When we initially covered the story,
David Axelrod was also one of these
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Democrats who was like, this is not good.
I mean, it's Biden's choice.
It's Biden's decision.
We'll see what he does.
But this is really playing with fire.
I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially
what David Axelrod said.
And now we're getting some more details
about the findings of this poll.
That should be,
I don't want to say, surprising.
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It's a little bit surprising
because I wouldn't have thought of RFK Jr
as a candidate that was viable in any way,
but he was included in the polling.
And the results are fascinating,
because I think it really illustrates how
most Americans feel about Biden and Trump.
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Most Americans are not looking
forward to that match up.
They want almost anyone else.
In fact, in that same poll, a generic
Democrat would beat Trump by eight points.
So it really, really does emphasize
how selfish Biden is
if he chooses to continue on
with this sham of running for reelection.
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And I say sham because he is taking a huge
risk for the country when he does that.
With that said, I want to talk about RFK
and the findings in this poll
having to do with RFK Jr. The polling
shows that in an average of data
gathered from Georgia, Arizona, Michigan,
Pennsylvania, Nevada and Wisconsin,
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Kennedy has 34% support with voters
aged between 18 to 29. And he also
has 31% with 30 to 44 year old voters.
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That is damning because remember, when it
comes to Joe Biden and how he performed in
the 2020 general election, it was really
young people who made the difference
in these key battleground states.
He has lost favorability
among that portion of the electorate.
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I think that Biden
is in denial about that.
But let's give you more details.
So apparently, Trump's numbers
stand at 29%, with 18 to 29 year olds
and 30% with 30 to 44 year olds.
Biden stands at 30% in both categories.
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Okay, so we're talking about Kennedy
garnering about 34%
with voters aged ages 18 to 29 and 31%
with voters ages 30 to 44. Now, let's
focus on some of the battleground states.
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In some states, Kennedy is winning
younger voters by enormous margins.
In Arizona, Kennedy has 39% of the 18
to 29 year old vote, to Trump's 26%.
And in Georgia, Kennedy leads Trump 35
to 28in in the same demographic.
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And look, the Trump camp got a little
salty toward RFK Jr after he decided he
was no longer going to run as a Democrat,
and instead he would run as
a third party candidate, an independent.
And it's because it does appear
that Kennedy is siphoning off more of
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the vote from Trump as opposed to Biden.
But even so, these numbers
are not good for Biden either.
Biden still has some sway with younger
voters in several states, according to
this poll, pulling in 37% of 18 to 29 year
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olds in both Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
So it really depends on which state
we're talking about here.
But again, I just want to emphasize
I've got my issues with Biden.
As I've shared recently on the show, I do
not like his handling of the war in Gaza.
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I do not like the greenlighting
and enabling of the just absolute
brutality that Palestinian civilians
are dealing with right now.
That is something that a lot
of young voters in the country
feel passionately about.
Young voters are also incredibly
frustrated with the economy.
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And of course,
as with any other election cycle, they're
going to blame the person in charge.
And so Biden sees all of this, and it
seems as though the community around him,
establishment Democrats, see all this,
and they're starting to really panic.
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And they're not just panicking
behind the scenes anymore.
They're panicking openly.
They're panicking on the media.
They're panicking on social media.
They see what is at stake.
They see Biden for the shaky,
risky candidate that he really is.
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And the real question is,
will he listen to those who are trying
to give him good, decent advice?
Will he step down?
I don't know,
some say that it's already too late.
We'll see how it all plays out.
But again, I really wish
that these calls for him to step down
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or not run for reelection, I should say,
happened a little earlier.
They didn't happen earlier.
A lot of people enabled him.
And now we're caught
in this terrible situation where we don't
really have a great Democrat incumbent
that we can lean on for reelection.
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And the other options we have are Donald
Trump and RFK Jr, who I'm not personally
a huge fan of and is not going to win
the election even with the votes that
he's pulling away from Biden and Trump,
there's no way he's going to win.
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So the chances of Trump winning
are definitely increased
with Biden remaining in the race.
And look, I'm saying all this knowing
that the big risk that we're taking,
if Biden steps down
and does not run for reelection,
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is that Gavin Newsom might be a candidate.
And I don't know what I'm going to do
in that situation
because I can't stand Gavin Newsom.
But as an objective purveyor
of this information, if the concern is
that Trump gets reelected, if Democrats
are going to run on Trump being an
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existential threat to our democracy,
you can't then have Joe Biden, who is
the riskiest candidate, seek reelection.
So we'll see how it all plays out.
I just wanted to give you guys
an update on that.
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