Lucy was at this event at the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics. And if you've been wondering, can she still drive a news cycle? Evidently she can, particularly when she was asked about her opinions on working with people like Marjorie Greene. Take a look. [00:00:23] We should ignore some folks record on some of these issues, right? It's about where we trust intent, where we trust where those outcomes are going. I personally do not trust someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, a proven bigot and anti-Semite on the issues of what is good [00:00:42] for Gazans and Israelis. in that instance, to align the left with white nationalists. I don't think it serves us. And so I think it's about looking at the context, the place, the results, the outcomes, [00:01:04] intentions, and where we think that train would go. But as far as what someone says about me, could care less and I think it's really about what our outcomes are. Okay, so although [00:01:20] the reaction in the room seemed to be largely positive towards what she said on the Internet. Everybody has an opinion and it's very extreme. Look, I'm going to give my thinking. I don't think I have the exact same position that AOC has on this, although I lean in her direction. [00:01:37] But bear in mind, a lot of people are very mad at her for what she said, including, I know I saw that Cenk on our network had tweeted at her saying that he thought that her take on that was selfish. And I'm sure they're going to talk about the show today. I'll let him make the case for that. So I lean towards her and I'm going to explain why. But first I am [00:01:53] going to let Marjorie Greene respond as she did in a tweet. And characteristically, it was a short one, which is nice. She said, AOC refused to vote for my amendment to strip funding for Israel. She can run her mouth all she wants, but votes are the only thing that matters. Not a bunch of words and nasty name calling. And I think that tweet is deeply ironic from [00:02:14] a woman who left office. She had votes. that she could make. And they're the only thing that matters and she chose to give that up. She had already won the real election. She could still be an officer or whatever. She chose not to have to vote. Instead, she has chosen [00:02:32] to go on a bunch of podcasts. And on those podcasts say some things that I agree with, admittedly. But all she's doing is using words which she just told us aren't worth anything. And so there's what she says she believes and then there's what she's chosen to do. She's [00:02:47] chosen not to have power in this case. And I do like a good amount of what Marjorie Green has said about a number of issues. So that question was about Gaza, but that's not the only thing where I think she's had some good comments. I think that arguably she's probably even better on the Epstein stuff than she is on that. She's been outspoken against Donald Trump on Iran. [00:03:07] And I have, you can look at the videos, I've given her credit on that a number of times. And that is why I say I don't think I have the exact same position as AOC. that said, I do understand that AOC believes that a person being right on a particular issue doesn't mean [00:03:26] that the other things they've said and done, which can be horrendous and harmful, or the other things that they are likely to continue to say and do are just gone. We're supposed to forget about that. And I know some people would say, but that's not what it's about. You're not ignoring that by choosing to work with them. And maybe you're right, but I think- [00:03:46] You cannot hold a person up as someone who deserves to be listened to, deserves to be respected, deserves to be potentially followed, and not have that have some sort of area of effect. Just realistic, I mean, I could be wrong, we'll have to see. And I do that again, people like [00:04:03] her, people like Thomas Massey, a few others, I've given them credit on these issues. I like that they have come to the side of reason, to come to our side on this issue. But then like, If I'm supposed to believe that Green is like this moral exemplar in something like Gaza, why has she been so wildly bigoted against Muslims for so long? A lot of that stuff is [00:04:23] still out there. She hasn't apologized for that. The horrendous votes she's taken, by the way, when it comes to Gaza and the Palestinians. The terrible things that she said, including about individual American Congress people, including about uh AOC, that's the personal [00:04:38] side of it as well. I think a lot of people are expecting AOC to forget that Marjorie Green effectively stalked her in DC. Like I like my politicians to be humans. I think it would be strange if AOC didn't have some kind of problem with Marjorie Green considering the creepy crap that she did vis-a-vis her. So anyway, I have a lot of other thoughts. Obviously my [00:04:58] throat is not cooperating with me. Expressing them to Jay, I'll let you jump in. um Okay, you guys know I've been on this for a minute. Her and Tucker Carlson, Marjorie and Tucker Carlson, the rest of whoever else that decides to have these moments of clarity. What's the purpose? It's the question we should always ask. What's the purpose coddling and trying [00:05:16] to resuscitate these two people's images. Why do we do it? I mean, it's presented that somehow they're going to help us get to this point where Donald Trump will be seen as this evil figure who's an idiot and has been destroying the country. Why do we need them for that? Donald Trump's [00:05:31] doing that on his own, number one. Number two, there's been people that have been right about Donald Trump, this entire MAGA movement since it started. And they're still right about it right now, who are saying the things that Marjorie Taylor Greene saying except they were saying it before and they're saying it again now. Why can't we listen to them? I mean, they were [00:05:47] right. um And also, so when they're pushing their whole character uh remedies and trying to fix what it is that they've always been about, why don't we ask, why are they doing that? What is it that they could benefit from this? What is it that Marjorie Heather Green and [00:06:02] Tucker Carlson are doing that um is actually changing what Donald Trump is doing? Donald Trump does, calls him a bunch of sons of bitches and liars and pieces of trash, and then moves on. Has he changed any policy yet based off how many MAGA folks have been changing their tune on him? Have the viewers and followers of Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene, [00:06:21] have they leaned on Donald Trump and now he's all changing his? policies? Has he started doing things different with Iran? Has he done anything with these investigations of the Epstein files? Has he done something different with our economy? Has he given a damn about Social Security, Medicare, and our healthcare system? Does he give a damn about the jobs that he's [00:06:38] eliminated? Have we talked anything about how Elon Musk went into our Social Security system and took all of our information? Are we talking about the monitoring of all of our lives? Are we talking about how they're destroying everything when it comes to our communications and how now they monitor everything that we do and say? Have we done any of that stuff or are we just [00:06:54] trying to resuscitate Marjorie Taylor Greene and stupid Tucker Carlson's character so they can have a better life afterwards? Because the things that they're saying have been said by people who know better and have always known better. Why trust them? Why trust them? What's [00:07:09] our objective here? Has that worked yet? Is he listening to Tucker Carlson? Geez, I'm trying to figure out why we keep kissing their asses. He seems pretty mad at Tucker Carlson. don't think he's gonna listen right now. Look, if there's a benefit to what Marjorie Green or [00:07:25] Tucker Carlson are doing, it's for their audience. And so I'm glad that they're pushing their audience in the right direction. I would also argue that they don't need AOC to do that. I don't know how Tucker Carlson's audience would believe it more if AOC worked with him. But anyway, the major point that I wanna focus on is, I also think a lot of people- responding [00:07:45] to a tiny bit of what AOC said, as if she holds a more radical position on this than I think either she does or that even is expressed in the video. AOC is not saying don't work with people who are generally bad there. I don't think AOC is saying that you should go on a [00:08:02] crusade against Marjorie Green. I think AOC is just saying, I don't need to go on a national tour with Marjorie Green. And I think that's a very reasonable position to take. Let Marjorie Green go and do her podcast. and try to talk some sense into Republicans or whatever. But AOC doesn't need to go to a wine gala with Tucker Carlson. That's not a radical position. That's [00:08:23] a very reasonable position, I think. And so anyway, yeah, look, and she talks, if you listen to just a little bit more of the video, and we'll move on in a sec, she talks about how she works with Thomas Massey on some issues. And then she talks about how on some issues, [00:08:39] like with banning insider trading, you're obviously gonna have to have people from both sides of the aisle. So my main reason I wanted to cover this is that AOC is not expressing some sort of absolutist position on this. Even if some people are in either direction implying that [00:08:55] she is. And I see some people who are cheering her, who are implying that she's going further than I think she is. Anyway, I'm sure she'll be asked follow up questions about this and she can expand on that. I have one last follow up question for Marjorie Taylor Greene, since she's this crusader for righteousness now. How does she feel about this redistricting effort [00:09:13] that's based off of racial lines that the Supreme Court has also pushed down on this country? And now all of these red states are doing everything they can to disenfranchise black folks. I could guess. And brown folks and women. I'm curious, why does she feel about that? Because I mean, since we're kissing her ass, is she right on that? Because that's our democracy that apparently, [00:09:32] I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, John. Maybe she's been great on that topic too. ah I haven't seen her talk about it. I believe I could probably guess what she would say about it.