>> Speaker 1: Cheney, Mar-a-Lago. What the hell, Kevin? Kevin McCarthy, they're really worried. Trump's not eating, so they asked me to come see him. Cheney, what? You went to Mar-a-Lago because Trump's not eating? [00:00:16] McCarthy, yeah, he's really depressed. >> [LAUGH] That is an excerpt from Liz Cheney book about why Kevin McCarthy, not too long after the events of January 6th and after Kevin McCarthy publicly criticized Donald Trump and implied that he was responsible for [00:00:33] the violence of January 6th, traveled down to Mar-a-Lago to go talk to Trump. And the explanation is he needed to go, Trump was really depressed about it. And I know that period was really hard for Trump, so hard that he's not even eating. [00:00:50] He's lost his appetite. And look, I think this overall story deserves analysis. I understand that everybody's gonna focus on the food part, even Jake Tapper had a little bit of fun with it. Take a look at this. >> Speaker 3: I love the one of McCarthy saying that he had to go down [00:01:05] to Mar-a-Lago, because Donald was depressed and he wasn't eating. >> Speaker 1: He's not eating. >> Speaker 3: First of all, that alone, I find surprising. But just cuz he's a man of healthy appetites, I don't mean that disparagingly. But the idea that he would even try to pedal that malarkey to Liz Cheney, [00:01:23] I find amazing. >> Speaker 2: What does Jake Tapper think? I don't mean that disparagingly means, that's exactly why you're saying that. That was disparagingly. And by the way, I don't even understand the point that Jake Tapper is making because we already know from Trump's medical exams what his stats are. [00:01:40] If he loses appetite, that is a concern because he's 6th'3, 215. That's what's been reported. At that height, he doesn't have much excess weight to lose. Look, I'm making fun of Trump for lying about this situation. That said, I am gonna be a little bit of a Buzz Killington. [00:01:57] The entire DC infrastructure is gonna use this opportunity for a round of fat shaming Donald Trump or whatever when I get it. Donald Trump is bad, but there's worse things. Anyway, I'm Buzz Killington, you're Francesca Fiorentini. What do you think I am? [00:02:13] >> Speaker 4: No, well, look, people in the chat are gonna get mad if I call him a fat POS. It just slimes around Mar-a-Lago, just his man titties dragging behind him, sadly, as he listens to what is memories. [00:02:31] But look, he's not starving. We all know Trump has Halloween candy under his mattress. He's got Sour Patch Kids and he's got little mini Snickers. Fun size, fun size would be huge. He's crying and eating his little candies, which is great. [00:02:48] Look, everyone has their little stash. But here's what I will say about this story, I don't care about whether he's eating or not eating. It makes me happy that Trump is sad. [00:03:04] So any story that's like Trump was depressed, I immediately feel good in my heart. Does that make me a bad person? I don't think so. >> Speaker 2: I mean, a case could be made. No, yes, look, am I a perfect person? [00:03:20] No, do I draw some pleasure from the worst person in the world, perhaps being depressed? Kind of, yes. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, he lost. >> I do actually draw a little bit. >> Speaker 4: He knows he lost. >> Speaker 2: Yes and look, he didn't get to be president anymore. [00:03:36] He still did a whole bunch of damage and he might well do more damage. But for a period, he didn't get what he wanted. It was one of the first times in his life he didn't get what he wanted and that's good, because what he wants is terrible and he's terrible and everything is terrible. [00:03:52] More importantly, though, Liz Cheney's reporting it in the book as if maybe she buys it. I don't know that I accept that. That's why Kevin McCarthy went. Was Trump a little bit depressed? Sure, but this was Kevin McCarthy going to kiss the ring. [00:04:08] That's what he was doing. Kevin McCarthy like some Republicans in the immediate aftermath of January 6th which was, it's now all been normalized that we just have coups sometimes. But at that point, I will remind you, some people were like, dear God, have we crossed a line that we should never have crossed? [00:04:24] And even some Republicans like Kevin McCarthy briefly were like, God, this is gonna make us look terrible. Trump bears responsibility for what he did and I think it's reprehensible that. All of you in the base don't really mind or [00:04:40] you just wish that it had been successful? Well, I actually don't have a problem anymore. A couple of weeks have gone by, I'm gonna go travel down to Mar-a-Lago and have a nice dinner with Donald Trump and that's the part that really bothers me. It's that this was kissing the ring again. [00:04:56] This was crossing that line again. What do you think? >> The timeline is after Jan 6th, I'm thinking this is the first week. >> Speaker 2: No, I think this is. >> Okay. >> That's what it is. >> Speaker 4: We all know that yes, after Jan 6th, he did go down. [00:05:12] And yeah, exactly as you said, John. Waited a little bit and then was like, I'm needed. Okay, I guess it's not bad. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 4: And we just do coups really fast. It felt like it might have been before. But no, you might be right. >> Speaker 2: Let me explain, so there are references to him talking to Trump right after the election. [00:05:30] >> Speaker 4: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: I am uncertain, because the book covers a lot of ground. It is possible that, that's what it is. So in that case, perhaps it's just the you get the shout, Freud. I'm more worried. Regardless, Kevin McCarthy did go down to Mar-a-Lago to get the ring of [00:05:46] Donald Trump. He may not have had this cover story about it, but regardless is the part of what Kevin McCarthy did that I find more. But anyway, I've got daddy baby brain. I apologize, continue. >> Speaker 4: No, no, I'm the one who's asking you the hard questions, this story. I mean, it's just Liz Cheney selling her book, let's be real. [00:06:04] >> Speaker 2: That is also true. >> Speaker 4: Here's my question with these books. These like, for lack of a better term, I don't know. They're not rhinos, they're all just like former Trumpers. They're people who love Trump's policies, but don't like his vernier. They're people who used to work for Trump. I mean, Amarosa, let's be real. She was the first one out with a book if I'm not mistaken, [00:06:22] even Sean Spicer had a book. So many books, people. What if I did a podcast and I read all of these books, so you didn't have to? Would anyone listen to? Think of the sad libs who watch CNN, who devour these books and [00:06:38] are like, Liz Cheney is amazing or the Dick Cheney's of the world. Who's reading this? I guess that's the dad, so the dad. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, it might get you a million followers on Twitter. I don't know, there are some people who have built that sort of a following that I [00:06:55] don't understand. But anyway, you're gonna have to try that out for yourself. [MUSIC]