Nov 9, 2023
The Bullpen: Takeaways From The Third Trump-less Republican Presidential Debate
The Bullpen: Takeaways From The Third Trump-less Republican Presidential Debate
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Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to the Bullpen.
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All right,
first time in the Bullpen we have Mr.
Juan Villasmil, commentator, Young Voices.
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He covered the Republican
debate yesterday,
if you wanna call it that, in Florida.
It was an interesting saga.
I don't want to presume what you believe
about what happened at that debate,
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Juan, I will let you opine,
and I would then respond.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, so the loudest voice
in that debate was not actually there.
>> Speaker 1: Right.
[LAUGH]
>> Speaker 2: President Donald Trump,
who was holding a rally 30 minutes drive
away from the Arsht Center in Miami.
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Nonetheless, there were
some funny moments.
Vivek Ramaswamy,
called Ambassador Haley and Ron DeSantis,
Dick Cheney in three-inch heels,
which was a funny line.
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>> But hold on, Juan,
I usually would not interrupt here.
And forgive me, dear brother.
I thought he was referring
to Governor Ron Desaden,
I mean, DeSantis,
as having the three inch heels.
And the reason I say that is because
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of the speculation around his booter tyre.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that it
was directed solely at him [INAUDIBLE].
But then when Nikki Haley responded,
I was like, hey,
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here, that was not directed at you.
>> Speaker 1: Right.
>> Speaker 2: But
then said it was directed at both, so.
>> Speaker 1: Right, yeah, there you go.
There you go.
Okay, so let's talk about the elephant
in the room, no pun intended.
Donald Trump obviously came out
the winner based on the polling date.
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He wasn't even in the debate, but
he won the debate based on Republicans.
So right now you have a proxy war for
what?
What are they actually trying to do?
Typically, in a scenario like this,
when you have a runaway candidate,
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you're trying to create viability so
that you can negotiate yourself to
a VP pick during the convention.
Or get enough delegates, get enough
popularity to where you can have an agenda
that is introduced and actually
honored by the nominee of the party.
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I don't think either one of these things
are going to happen with this slate of
characters.
I think the reason why they are still
in the race is because they're
hoping that Donald Trump is simply
in prison and cannot be president.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, so the latter
is in some of the people's minds.
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In previous campaigns, one can argue
that they're running for the VP spot,
but I don't think Donald's gonna
select any of them for the VP spot.
But nonetheless, although I can see
the argument for increasing name ID,
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some of the people in the governor's
campaign, Governor DeSantis campaign, for
instance, seem to believe that
he actually stands a chance.
Same can be said about
Ambassador Nikki Haley.
Their argument goes something like this,
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and I talked about this with
Iowa Talk Show host Steve Deace,
who was there at the debate,
who endorsed Ron DeSantis.
He tells me that although Trump,
yes, is really popular and
he's leading by 30% in Iowa,
he's sitting at 40% in Iowa?
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And his argument is that if people drop
out, and now that the governor has
the endorsement of another governor, the
governor of Iowa, Kim Reynolds, it seems,
according to him, that DeSantis could
actually win Iowa, just like Ted Cruz did.
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But then, wouldn't that be a repeat
of what happened with Ted Cruz?
He won Iowa, but then he [INAUDIBLE]?
>> Speaker 1: Right, and I understand
the point of the broadcaster, but
the reality is you have the plurality
spectrum inside of a primary.
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So Donald Trump will likely not
win any state in a Republican
primary with over 50% of
the participants supporting him.
But he doesn't need to, because so
many others are running and
splitting their natural base.
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He has consolidated a very unique base
that remains constant in every state.
The only way you really make
the model work is if all of these
individuals running,
they get behind one candidate.
Just one, it can't be two.
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Just one.
You may have a chance.
Now, you get competitive in these states
cuz you do not split your natural base
anymore.
But they don't have the,
let's just say they lack the insight and
enlightenment to do something like that,
and
they all believe they should be
dubbed King or Queen, per se.
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But that would be the only way that
you would defeat Trump, in my opinion,
in the Republican primary by way of vote.
And the other way is by way of
indictment and incarceration.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Those are the only two ways,
from what I could tell, being there,
heading there, actually.
And I talked about this in the article
that I just wrote for the Spectator World.
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You could see on the way to the debate,
a mile away,
people with Trump signs and
Trump 2024 flags.
You didn't see any people with Nikki Haley
hats or chanting for Vivek Ramaswami.
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You didn't see any people fainting
when Tim Scott walked past them.
Trump is the energy of the GOP,
and the only way someone could
actually challenge him is if he
gets imprisoned, if he gets killed,
or if everyone quits and
they all unite behind a single candidate.
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And it seems like that
candidate was DeSantis.
But now with Nikki Haley reaching him in
the polls in Iowa, although his staffers
were really confident when I talked to
them in Florida, really, really confident,
a lot of people seem to be questioning
if actually Ron can make this.
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>> Speaker 1: Wow, let me ask you this
question a little bit different than just
the debate.
But it came up during an interview
with Trump, where Trump was posed
a question about a VP running maiden and
the guy offered Tucker Carlson.
Trump kind of goes into this, well,
the ratings would be great if we did it.
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We had great ratings when we were
on TV together, blah, blah, blah.
Naturally, that's not how we would hope
somebody would pick a VP, but Trump would.
I don't think Trump would pick Tucker.
He said he would consider him,
but he was just talking.
Trump, in my opinion, is going to
pick someone not like Mike Pence,
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which simply means,
somebody who is such a Trump surrogate
that they would not challenge
him on any leadership decision.
Do you see that any differently than
I do in whatever VP pick he chooses?
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>> Speaker 2: It's a complicated question,
cuz of course, there are strengths in
selecting a more moderate version
of a Republican as a VP candidate.
That's [INAUDIBLE] with former VP Pence.
And it worked well,
strategically speaking.
>> Speaker 1: Well, but not with Trump.
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I mean, Trump wanted the guy
to not sign the certification.
So I just think he tries to find someone
who would do that for him the next term.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah, so this time around,
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it seems like it's not
traditional election strategy.
Trump also wants a fighter.
And for him, he always says that loyalty
is the most valuable currency in politics.
And he actually believes that firmly.
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So you see a lot of people fighting,
especially a Republican of
former governor candidates like Kerry Lake
and other women in GOP politics,
since some people assume that
the future VP might be a woman,
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since President Joe Biden
running mate is a woman as well.
So they have that in mind, too.
I'm not sure if [INAUDIBLE]
that he would nominate a woman.
But we don't really know.
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>> Speaker 1: Yeah,
it's gonna be interesting.
So in my opinion,
you give Donald Trump power again,
you can kiss this form
of democracy goodbye.
That is my opinion of it.
Thank you, dear brother.
We appreciate you being on the show.
Thanks for the work you do.
>> Speaker 2: Thank you very much for
having me.
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>> Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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