Jun 10, 2026
Trump Accused Of LYING About War
President Trump boasted about ramped up strikes in Iran. Ana Kasparian and Trita Parsi discuss on The Young Turks.
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A shout out, our helicopter, very expensive
helicopter by the way, but much more importantly,
two men, fortunately they're okay. We hit them
hard yesterday and we're gonna hit them again
hard today in case you miss it, in case you
don't turn on your television set. And we'll
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see what happens with the deal. were really
close to a deal, but they keep tapping us along.
They keep playing us for suckers because you
know what? They dealt with some very stupid
precedents. President Trump is using an alleged
Iranian attack on an Apache helicopter near
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the Strait of Hormuz to justify reigniting war
with Iran. Now the claim is that an Iranian
Shaheed drone struck the helicopter. Take a
look at this. President Trump tells Fox News
that the Iranian drone lodged in between the
two pilots in this helicopter. They were flying
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very low. And at that point, The drone didn't
explode as it had intended to. And so these
pilots were trying to take down the helicopter
with the drone lodged into this gunship without
it exploding. And at any moment it could have
exploded, the president told me. And he said
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it was on fire, there was a lot of heat inside
the cockpit of this helicopter. And ultimately
these two pilots were able to take it down into
the sea where ultimately they were rescued
for the first time in US military history.
by an unmanned sea drone. Now if those claims
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sound outlandish, you wouldn't be the only
one who thinks so. In fact, military experts
like Colonel Daniel Davis and former CIA analyst
Larry Johnson had a conversation about this
alleged attack. And they bring up some points
that are relevant if you want to see whether
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or not this is true. Let's take a look at their
analysis and then we'll bring Trita in to give
us his take, take a look. That drone, the
Shahid there, ah is it's the size of the cockpit.
I mean, the whole cockpit, there's no way it
could get in between them and just uh sit
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there like a ticking time bomb. This is uh the
Shaheed drone there, so you see how big it
is. So if these are the size of two pilots
that you can see there, the guys who were standing
right next to it. And then here is the age
64 from a different angle here. And as you're
talking about this, this cockpit has to rise
up. uh go upwards. So there's no side door
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to get out. So almost any version of anything
quote in the cockpit window makes it nearly
physically impossible to have escaped. So the
story can't be true in terms of, but then
again, look back at this. Now imagine this embedded
in this, how's that even possible? It can't
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hang in there. It can't lodge in there as big
as this thing is. It would just destroy the
helicopter if it hit it. There's no scenario
that this and this is the drone that they talked
about, is going to hit this and it not just
blasted out of the sky. So considering the
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fact that the Trump administration appears to
be using this alleged attack on the Apache
helicopter as their rationale for reengaging
in this war with Iran, I think it's important
to figure out whether or not they're lying about
it. uh And so Trita, for whatever it's worth,
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I know you might not be a military expert,
I'm- super curious what you might be hearing
from your sources in regard to this alleged
attack. Because I remember yesterday, Iran
was basically denying it, ah but has anything
changed since then? I've not seen anything
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from the Iranians claiming that they were the
ones that were behind it. In fact, the pattern
at this point has been that very different
from the past in which the Iranians were trying
to make sure that they have plausible deniability,
that they were doing things without their fingerprints
on it. That's not the pattern as of late, so
ah If they did do it, there's a significant
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likelihood that they would ah take credit for
it or claim it. have not, doesn't mean that
their side of the story is true either. Most
conversations I've had, however, about this
to be frank with Yana has just completely moved
beyond whether this story is true or not.
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Because a new reality is now establishing. The
United States is attacking Iran, and the Iranians
are now firing ballistic missiles again. So
it appears at this point, that the ceasefire
is officially over, and that we are back at
war. And uh much to unpack about that because
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what are the calculations? What are the things
that the two sides think that they can achieve,
etc? And at the end of it, if it turns out
that all of this was started over a lie, over
an Apache, that would be a fantastic story,
or it would be an interesting story in different
ways. But at this point, seems like there's
a desire to go back to the battlefield. whatever
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the reason is, whatever the pretext is, whatever
the excuse is, there's a desire to go back
to the battlefield. And to be frank with you,
I'm sensing it from both sides, not just from
the US side. I mean, I can understand why Iran
would want to reengage. And if everything
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that's been reported is in fact true, math
is math. And Iran has more weaponry than the
United States has, certainly as it pertains
to interceptors, and not just the United States.
Israel is running out of interceptors. And
these are interceptors that are difficult and
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they uh take a long time to build. The drones
are much easier and faster to build. And then
on top of that, the drones aren't necessary,
they're able to evade the interceptors. Again,
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my mind wanders back to how badly Israel wanted
the war to start again, knowing their own
limitations. Why would they want that unless,
and this is the most cynical thought I've
ever had in my mind. But I asked you about
it last week and you said that it's not as
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uh outlandish as some might think. There's
a possibility that maybe they're going to wait
for Iran to do so much damage to Israel that
Israel might use non-conventional weapons,
nuclear weapons. retaliate and then justify
it based on how much pain they were suffering
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as a result of these ballistic missile strikes.
Yes, unfortunately we are in this space right
now in which both in the Israeli media and in
the US media, we have articles that are openly
talking about the fact that the nuclear option
has been considered has been part of the discussions.
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They don't go into any further details beyond
that, but that's really where we are. So it's
not outlandish and it's not however insane it
actually is. Unfortunately, it is not outlandish.
I think we have a situation in which the Israelis
from the outset never wanted to cease fire
and they wanted to continue the war and they
wanted the United States to just destroy as
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much of Iran as possible. And we're very disappointed
that he opted for a ceasefire and the Israelis
show very little regard of how all of this
is affecting the global economy, the American
taxpayer, etc. Because at the end of the day,
the Israeli economy has been quite insulated
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from all of this. ah But you had- that possible?
Is it just because- very good question. We're
bankrolling everything and they don't have to
worry about it? I don't know the full answer,
but I do believe that the subsidies that are
coming from the United States one way or another
is part of the reason. Of course, they're not
um importing any oil from the Persian Gulf,
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but so is Other countries are also not necessarily
buying it from the Persian Gulf, but they're
still affected by very high oil prices. What
I think happened here is that the Iranians
and the Americans both were open to find a way
out. But their ideas of what that would be
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was very different. And over time, even though
when there's been moments in which there's
been significant progress, it's just been a
very bizarre. negotiating process. And Trump
has changed his positions several times in
these negotiations. And on the other hand,
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the Iranians, they in fact, they even admitted,
they say we have not said yes, we have not
said no. So they have not given the type of
a clarity that Trump is constantly looking
for. And Trump's uh inclination is to really
oh escalate and put more pressure and use worse
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language when he doesn't get what he wants.
And particularly when he feels that the other
side is stringing him along. I don't think necessarily
the Iranians are stringing him along. It's
just that they're negotiating and he's saying,
well, this is my offer, take it or leave it.
And I know I'm simplifying a little bit here.
The problem is this, both sides believe that
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the underlying balance that has been created
from the first war needs to change in order
to make a deal possible. Because whatever it
changed, didn't change it enough. So the US
wants to change it in a manner to really put
the Iranians into a corner so that they're
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forced to agree to whatever the terms is that
the US puts forward. The Iranians believe
that they will take huge amount of tactical
hits, but strategically they will come out
of a second war stronger just as they did with
the first war because they gained the leverage
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of the Strait of Hormuz. ah But now they're
hurting because of the blockade and they want
to push back against that and they think they
have to do that militarily. There's absolutely
no guarantee that either side will be right
in this. Both of them may completely lose
out of this situation. Everyone else in the
world certainly will be losing because there's
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a very significant difference between the moment
we're starting this war and the moment in which
the war was started back in February. Back
then by happenstance, oil inventory globally
was very, very high. And as a result, there
was a buffer. against these rising oil prices
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and the shortages of fuel that was being created
as a result of the closure of the hormones.
Those inventories are now very low, which means
that if you start to work again now, we're
going to see much higher oil prices unless of
course, it ends up being a short war or a very
short successful war. And so far we haven't
seen anything short and successful. Right,
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I mean, we've been tapping into our strategic
oil reserves and uh we are set to run out.
pretty quickly by the end of the summer is
one of the more generous estimates that I've
heard analysts mention. But I want to note
that the Wall Street Journal is reporting that
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the individual who allegedly pressured or goaded
uh President Trump to engage in more strikes
against Iran was our Secretary of Defense Pete
Hegseth. So uh they write that Trump- Hadn't
been convinced of the need to retaliate against
Iran earlier in the day, US officials said.
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He changed his mind after Defense Secretary
Pete Hegseth and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff General Dan Cain recommended military
action during a briefing at the White House.
But it remains unclear what would be accomplished
by engaging militarily. Because there really
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isn't a military option to accomplish some of
the objectives that Trump had laid out in the
beginning of the war. And uh it does, at least
right now, appear that Trump is carrying out
some of what he promised to do earlier in one
of the most controversial posts that he put
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up on social media. They're attacking civilian
infrastructure, basically water reservoirs.
So this is from DropSite News. They write uh
a reported US attack on two water reservoirs
in southern Iran has left 20,000 people without
access to drinking water. According to uh
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their Mizan news agency, in a statement, the
local Iranian water utility company said the
reservoirs were targeted and completely destroyed
on Wednesday morning in US strikes. uh And
so I really hope that it doesn't keep going
in this direction, but with someone like Trump,
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wouldn't be, and someone like Trump who has
packed his cabinet with warmongers and unhinged
individuals like Pete Hegseth, I don't really
have much hope. uh But I am curious uh what
your thoughts are. you think that this is just,
with the US reengaging militarily, do you
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think that they're just going to try to destroy
as much of Iran as possible on behalf of Israel?
And if so, what would that accomplish? Would
that even spur regime change in Iran? So we
have to recognize, first of all, we're operating
in the fog of war and the fog of information.
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And it's very difficult to know whether the
information is reliable or not. There's a lot
of backstabbing taking place in the White House
right now. Different leaks coming out to put
certain people in a good light or a bad light.
ah So it's still unclear about that. But if
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it is true that the targets that we're seeing
the US strike so far is around the Strait
of Hormuz, it would lend itself to one plausible
scenario, which is that the Trump administration
in the last couple of weeks have managed to
open up a bit of that strait and gotten some
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tankers out. And they have found out a manner
in which the Iranians have difficulty of closing
certain parts of the strait. And they're now
trying to further limit the Iranians ability
to do so by striking some of these key areas
very close to the strait while simultaneously
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reducing Iran's ability to challenge Trump's
blockade of the blockade. And then thinking
that if they can do this without massive Iranian
retaliation, that would force further escalation
of the war, which I don't think they're going
to achieve because I think the Iranians are
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going to retaliate and escalate horizontally
as they did before. But they think that they
may be able to do this without having that uh
repercussion. If that happens, they will pull
back and then say, okay, now you have a new
scenario. The Strait is partially open and
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you have failed to challenge the blockade of
the blockade. As a result, time is not on your
side, you're to get a worse situation. And
as a result, you should agree to whatever the
terms are that Trump will put forward at that
point, which probably will be harsher than
the terms are right now. I can see that scenario,
particularly if the strikes continue to be
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limited to that area. If however, the strikes
are starting to go in many different parts
of Iran. And particularly if it goes after
infrastructure and petrochemical plants, and
uh energy infrastructure, then I think we're
looking at something much, much different.
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ah That is a level of escalation that the Trump
administration was much more careful about
in the first war. The Israelis kept on pushing
him to go in that direction. He didn't. He
didn't because he knew that the Iranians would
take out those facilities on the GCC side and
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would be a disaster situation, particularly
for the energy market. But if they're going
in that direction, then we're looking at a completely
different type of an escalation that Trump
has in mind. Have you gotten any word on how
Iran has responded to US strikes so far?
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We've only seen so far that there is reports
that ballistic missiles have been fired. By
now they probably have landed somewhere, I don't
know. I presume that there will be significant
strikes against Israel again. um And of course,
some escalation in the region, all depends
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on what the first American strikes were. If
the initial American strikes also included,
And there's been some reporting on the Iranian
side, which then has been denied by other
Iranian state reporting that there's been targeting
of petrochemical plants, etc. But if that
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ends up being the case, then I think we will
see a much larger escalation and both sides
will probably go harder at each other than they
did in the first war. And the Iranians in particular
will probably draw the conclusion that they
did not escalate hard enough in the first war
before they agreed to a ceasefire. So this has
all of the hallmarks of a completely uncontrollable
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escalation, unfortunately. Absolutely, and
I keep, it's not the most important thing.
mean, innocent human lives and saving those
innocent human lives, I believe is the most
important thing. But uh this does have repercussions
for the global economy. And certainly Americans
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are already starting to experience it when
it comes to inflation in the broader economy
here in the United States. The latest Labor
uh Department reporting indicates that inflation
is accelerating from last month, it's already
accelerated. And so Trump was actually asked
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about inflation related to this war. I want
to go to video B5 and then get your thoughts
on it, Trita. Take a look. I love the inflation.
You know why? Because as soon as this war
is over, I can say it now. Something you didn't
know, we've been taking out. Millions of barrels
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of oil. Nobody knows it. You who doesn't know
about it? Iran until right now. We took out
the other night 22 ships late at night with
no lights because they don't have any radar
because we blasted the crap out of it. We took
out this way, oil is $85 a barrel. In fact,
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$85 a barrel but nonetheless, mean, I can't
trust anything that this man says but. I do
want to know if you have any clarity on what
he's referring to when he says that we basically
stole Iranian oil and that oil prices are actually
fantastic. Clearly oil prices are not fantastic.
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think there's been I think around 16 or so
oil tankers that have been attacked. ah And
in the past the United States even under the
Biden administration did confiscate oil tankers,
Iranian oil tankers on the high seas. You had
a scenario in which a lot of the different
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Iranian old tankers that were selling oil to
China would have to turn off their transponders
so that they wouldn't be visible to the United
States. So even under the Biden administration,
this was happening. So it wouldn't be surprising
at all if that is part of what they have done.
The Iranians have tried to get some tankers
out of the straits. They have succeeded in
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some cases, but they may also have failed in
which the US, I think just last night there
was an attack against an old tanker and they
confiscated it. ah But I also think that there's
a hint to the fact that they have managed to
open a small sliver of the strait. There's
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not much traffic coming out of it, obviously,
at the end of the day. But essentially, they
do believe that there is um a potential here
for them to really be able to change the equation
by getting more ships out while the Iranians
continue to not be able to get ships in or
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out. Because one thing that is forgotten about
this blockade of the blockade that Trump is
imposing is that he's also preventing food,
medicine, and other things to get into Iran.
Absolutely, and that is reflected in the price
of food already. But it's gonna have downstream
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effects that are gonna be far more extreme than
what we're already experiencing, which is what
makes this war just so utterly stupid. The
idea that this is gonna accomplish anything
positive uh for the global community, for the
United States is laughable. It remains to
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be seen if Israel is going to have its way or
get what it wants through uh what we're engaging
in militarily. uh
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