I actually did feel bad for Pearl. You know, you've won a debate when you're debating on whether feminism is a good or bad. And your opponent says, oh yeah, I'm the feminist than you. - Okay, I guess the debate is over. - Then are you just making things up? No no, no. No. Yesterday. [00:00:21] Pearl, what are you doing? Like, seriously? Next question. Yeah. Look, I did not do good at all. [00:00:38] I don't understand how this woman was able to basically verbally abuse me with no recourse. Sorry, I shouldn't say abuse with the woman in me. Anna, you talk for a living. It's kind of rich for you to come at me. What? Bitch! What do you do for a living? [00:00:57] Well, I, had these very special experience of debating Hannah Pearl Davis at word war debate. And it was it was something. Now, she froze up for a few minutes at a time. She didn't have any citations to, you know, back up her claims. [00:01:15] She was a she was kind of curbstomp if stomped, if you ask me. But maybe I'm reading things inaccurately. What are your thoughts? Yeah. No you're not. That's what every commenter is saying. Every right wing commenter, every left wing commenter. Everybody's saying the same thing. It was a bloodbath, politically and ideologically. [00:01:32] And so, she said, you know, she was verbally abusing me during the debate. Yeah, that's what a debate kind of is, isn't it? Was she supposed to hand you flowers? And so, look, I'll give her the tiniest piece of credit on this. She's was clear afterwards that she took the L, right? [00:01:50] She got she got slaughtered in that debate. And. But, Anna, my favorite was the post-debate analysis when the first person said, you'd have to be the R word to think that Anna didn't win. And then even the conservative guy was like. Don't give too much away. [00:02:06] - Don't give too much away, because. - You're going to love that part. - You're gonna love that part. - Yeah. Okay. So, look, we don't have time to get to all the highlights, and I want to say something. I had no intention initially to, like, draw attention to this debate [00:02:22] after the debate happened. Obviously, I promoted it beforehand, but I actually did feel bad for Pearl, and I just I'm not looking to, you know, have our audience make fun of her. I'm not looking to make fun of her on the show like she lost the debate. [00:02:38] It was embarrassing enough I was going to move on. But immediately after she shook my hand, said, good debate and she appeared to be a good sport about it. She then went on to mock my husband, because I talked about how feminism allowed me the economic freedom to marry a man for love, [00:02:55] and not because I'm looking for someone to financially take care of me. I started calling him a loser and all this nonsense and like just tons of various posts on X and I'm like, oh, you want to keep playing? All right, I'm down to play. And so here are some highlights from the debate. [00:03:14] - Do you believe in alimony? - I believe in alimony. In specific cases where the woman decided to forego having a career and working, decided to stay home and raise the kids. In those cases, I believe she deserves alimony. Yes, but that's a privilege. [00:03:30] You're ridiculous. Anyway, next. Move on. You said it's. You said it's ridiculous. - It's ridiculous. - A privilege to stay home. With coming from a girl who grew up in an affluent situation with incredibly wealthy parents. You don't know anything about struggling economically or financially. [00:03:51] So to tell a single mother who decided to stay home and raise her children instead of work, that she doesn't deserve a penny to raise her kids after a divorce is the most privileged piece of thing to say. [00:04:07] This is this. This is the type of nagging that drives men to suicide. Good. But I'm married and you're not. So next. - Jesus Christ. - So I want to be clear about something. [00:04:23] I didn't hear the part where she says nagging that drives men to suicide. So the suicide part I didn't hear, but I said good to her complaining about me nagging. I mean, these people, this woman is just she lives in la la land. And the idea that women like, because she promotes this whole notion [00:04:41] of the so-called tradwife, you stay home and you raise the kids well, you're putting yourself at a significant economic risk if that marriage doesn't work out. So the argument that I'm making is, yeah, alimony should be paid to mothers who were stay at home mothers. [00:04:57] And if the divorce happens, I mean, what are they supposed to do? And her argument is, oh, they should just go to work. They should get a job. They should get a job. Okay. So no responsibility, no financial responsibility from the male in the marriage or, you know, now divorce in raising the children. [00:05:14] By the way, people think that alimony is the outcome of divorce or something. It's not even the outcome. In 50% of divorces, only 10% of divorces end with an alimony settlement. You want to know why? Because feminism allowed women to be go getters, go out there, get a job, [00:05:31] start a career, and earn their own money. So alimony doesn't make sense if you're earning your own money and you can take care of yourself. But I was curious about your thoughts on that. Yeah. So, look, the reason why it was such a blowout, if you watch the whole thing is because, of a couple of factors. [00:05:46] One was the obvious where you would state facts and statistics and she'd go back to, well, I ran into this, bro. And that bro was really mad. So I must be right. That's not evidence, right? And so there'd be a little long, awkward silences. [00:06:03] She didn't know how to respond when you asked her for facts. So it was, like evident on its face. And I think that the reason for that is she's got this little niche. Everybody now these days have their little niches of and and in her case, and in a lot of cases they're grievance niches. [00:06:19] Right. So she does grievance content for guys who are mad at women. And if you're a woman doing that, that's even better right. Oh, you guys are right. Women suck and x, Y and Z, right? But she's not used to actually going out in the real world [00:06:35] and having a conversation from someone outside that niche. And so when she runs into the real world and runs into you, that's running into a buzz saw. She didn't expect, right? Where everyone's not validating her opinions. So but the second part of it is because You did a lot of research, and [00:06:54] it was obvious in the debate, and you had looked into what she had said in the past. She's trying to court these right wing guys who are mad at women. 2026 just started, and like a lot of us, I've got some big personal goals here at TT. 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Just go to this exclusive web address right now [00:07:59] to try ZipRecruiter ziprecruiter.com. Again, that's ziprecruiter.com/ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire. But she tells them not to get married. But wait that's kind of against the right wing talking points. [00:08:16] So she's then caught in a conundrum. But it doesn't feel like she's bright enough to realize that she's in a conundrum. And then. And then you did it again when you talked about, well, don't you want moms to stay at home and take care of the kids? That's the tradwife ideology. [00:08:33] But now you're saying if they did that and their husband promised to take care of them, if their husband gets a new girlfriend and dumps him, and betrays that core promise, she's saying, so what? Wives, go get a job, figure it out, create a new career out of nothing. [00:08:50] Look, I'm not saying that that should never happen, but it's at odds with her overall so-called philosophy. So you put her in a box she couldn't get out of because her philosophy makes no sense. And and it was exposed there. [00:09:06] That's why I think that it's so universal in this case, not just left wing, but every part of the political spectrum was like, yeah, that was a slaughterhouse. And so that's why she's so mad afterwards and taking shots at you, taking shots at your husband, as usual these days. And talking about laying hands on you, which then, ironically, would have [00:09:24] to lead you to some pearl clutching. That's hilarious. Now, look, the worst part, in my opinion, of the debate for Pearl, of course, was when she was supposed to interrogate me like there were these interrogation [00:09:41] segments and, well, let's just say it didn't go as planned for Pearl. Let's take a look. I get it, I get it. Bring it on. [00:09:56] A little harder to debate someone who's not an only fans girl, right? - I. Never. - I don't need to. [00:10:11] Not that I'm judging. Do you think that men should have the right to opt out of fatherhood, since women have the right to opt out of motherhood? No. I put a condom on. [00:10:29] You don't want to have children, put a condom on. Or require him to wear a condom. That's equal. Yeah, that that choice is equally irresponsible. He's the one with the Johnson. He gets to decide what he does with it. [00:10:44] I think I'm more of a feminist than you. Sure. Great. Congratulations. [00:11:02] This is the longest 30 minutes of my life. It was. It was bad for her, obviously. So in the beginning, when you're interrogating her, you got fact after fact, and she's got no response other than I ran into a dude. Right? [00:11:17] And then she's supposed to interrogate you, and she's got nothing. She had these things that she. And the reason I mentioned OnlyFans is because she's a bunch of OnlyFans girls, and she she, like, does this performative thing. She finds someone who knows nothing about politics and really hasn't thought [00:11:34] about politics ever. Right. And then she asked these questions like, oh yeah, should the man have a right to terminate the pregnancy? And they're like, I don't know. I've never thought about it. When Annas thought about it, she's like, oh yeah, that was a good answer. I don't know what else to say. Right. Like. [00:11:49] And then you, ironically, again, you put her in a position where you're kind of, you're pro-choice, but you're arguing a position that a lot of pro-life people agree with. Right. That and then she had to argue against the pro-life position. And, you know, you and the moderator had to step in a bunch of times [00:12:07] because she just had she literally wouldn't say anything. So the moderator is like, I guess I'll ask a question. Right. And then and then at the end, you know, you've won a debate when you're debating on whether feminism is a good or bad. [00:12:22] And your opponent says, oh, yeah, I'm the bigger feminist than you. Okay. I guess it debates over then. So what's so ironic about all of this is, look, I believe in equality. I genuinely believe in equality. I don't consider myself a feminist. [00:12:37] And in the debate, I explained why. It's not because I'm against women's rights, but because I think that there have been some excesses, that like came out of modern feminism that are unfair and wrong. You know, I give the example of, you know, let's say the MeToo movement. [00:12:56] It started off with legitimate grievances, of people who were actually being abused and taken advantage of in the workplace. And then it devolved into Aziz Ansari being treated like a predator just because he had a bad date. You know what I mean? So, like, I believe in equality. [00:13:13] I believe in women's rights, but I also believe in men's rights. I don't want men to be treated unfairly. So it was like this weird, topsy turvy world in which I'm the one on the stage talking about the importance of family values because she discourages men from getting married. And my argument is, no, you absolutely should get married, right? [00:13:30] There's nothing better when you find someone you want to build a life with. Like she's giving these guys such terrible advice that's going to ensure that they're going to be lonely and sad for the rest of their lives. And I really hope they don't take her seriously. [00:13:45] Now, when it came time for me to interrogate, I did ask a question. What was really fascinating is how everyone reacted to it. Because, remember, her whole shtick is, oh, our judicial system. The courts are so unfair to men, so unfair, so unfair. [00:14:03] So I brought an example of the judicial system being incredibly unfair to women. And everyone thought, no, this is the third rail. Take a look. Do you think it's fair that all of the young women who were preyed upon as minors by Jeffrey Epstein are now experiencing yet another [00:14:24] administration engaging in a cover up? Oh, no. No, no. Or was it the female's fault for being preyed upon by a disgusting pedophile? - I'm just curious. - What kind of question is that? [00:14:41] I think it's a pretty straightforward one because you're talking about the unfairness of our court system, especially as it pertains as it pertains to divorces. But we're talking about a guy who got a sweetheart deal after raping minor girls. [00:14:59] And then even after that, multiple administrations Democrat, Republican doesn't matter, engaged in a cover up, ensuring that those victims would never get justice. And this has to do with with this. I mean, you want to talk about the unfairness in the court system [00:15:15] and how terrible it is for men. - What about how terrible it is for women. - As an intelligence agent? Look, that has nothing to do with anything. I think I think in fairness, you gotta you gotta admit that's an anecdote, too, in comparison to the overall statistic. [00:15:32] It's a pretty big anecdote. Move off it, move off it, move off it. Oh my God. This is drawing attention to Trump engaging in a cover up of the Epstein files and the pedophilia involved. Move off it, move off it, move off it like it was hilarious. That moment was so hilarious to me. It really stood out. [00:15:47] - Jake, what do you think? - Yeah. Look, you could find 1 or 2 cases, by the way, of the courts or laws being, a little bit unfair to men in some of the divorce cases, etc.. And there are those anecdotes. And by the way, our answer to that one is so simple. [00:16:04] And Anna said it during the debate too, which is, okay, then let's fix those. So you don't have to hate women in order to fix those laws that are not, perfectly fair. If you found 1 or 2, were very happy to fix them. Right. And so but the idea that overall, like, men are getting screwed [00:16:21] by the US justice system, but women are just flying through, you know, like every time they go into court, they win. Like single moms can't stop winning in court, right? Abused young girls to Anna's point. Oh, my God, the courts just tripping over themselves to help them. [00:16:38] No, no. You know, we know what the real issue with the courts are. It's not about men or women. It's about the powerful versus the powerless. The powerful can skate through anything and kill people. ET cetera. And get away with it. And the powerless are ground up by this system. [00:16:54] And then last thing for me, before we get to the hilarious, awesome post-debate analysis, is, look, these are all words that people put meaning into feminist, socialist, even MAGA. [00:17:10] Right? So on, left and right. What is MAGA mean? What is socialist mean? Almost nobody ever defines it, right. So what do we think? Generally speaking, Anna and I were relatively very similar on this topic. Equality period. Not complicated. [00:17:26] Yes. Right. Yes, yes. We don't want men at a disadvantage. We don't want women at a disadvantage. We don't want anybody at a disadvantage. Equal rights. Where's the question. Exactly. And the ideal situation where, two totally fine parents. [00:17:42] They just didn't get along. Irreconcilable differences. Whatever the reason for their divorce, as long as they're good parents. I want the 50 over 50 custody. Like the notion that, like, oh, these devilish women, they want the mom to have full custody, and they want the man to be frozen out. [00:17:59] No, I don't want that. I don't think that's good for the kids. But she lives in this weird la la land where she thinks women always get everything they want and men get shafted. And she also kind of fails to realize, like, life is a lot more complicated. [00:18:16] It's not so black and white. So you might have situations in which the man is an alcoholic and he's very abusive, like physically abusive with the kids. Okay. Then in that case, you want 50 over 50 custody. How does that make any sense? It's not safe for the kids. But anyway, let's move on to some of the post-debate stuff, because things went [00:18:34] so poorly for Pearl that she apparently considered physically assaulting me. Let's take a look at that. There was a point where I did want to throw hands. I'm not going to lie. She's like five one. [00:18:55] And I thought about it. I thought about it. I'm like. You can talk like this to men, but I'm bigger than you. I can body you. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, yeah, I don't know. She was a little ghetto, you know? [00:19:14] I know I was too polite. I can't be a little ghetto. I will, I will cosign on to that. But I don't think I was being ghetto on that stage. I mean, she's the one who's on camera right now talking about wanting to throw hands. Like what? [00:19:29] - Yeah. - No, no, I mean, that irony is hilarious. I wanted to body her. I wanted to throw her hands. She's being ghetto, If you say so, Pearl. I know. And by the way, she also admitted that the event and audience was pretty much stacked [00:19:47] against me and to her advantage. Let's just take a quick look at that, and then we'll go to the post-debate analysis. And the worst part was we the crowd was the best crowd. I talked to them before. They're all so nice. They're they're there to see me win the majority of the crowd. I talked to him before. It was mostly there for me. [00:20:05] Or at least, like, rooting for me. What do you think tonight is your your best hope for swaying people in the crowd who might not be on your side? I don't have a lot of hope, to be honest with you. [00:20:22] So that last part was me acknowledging that, yeah, the like the audience was very much on Pearl's side. So I was kind of in a difficult spot because I, number one, don't consider myself a feminist. And then number two, everyone in the audience is on her side. [00:20:37] But let's see how the analysts thought I did. Take a look. I think whatever opinion you have on the topic, that was an absolute bloodbath. I thought Pearl did great. I think. She won. But you know what I noticed going on over there? [00:20:53] Anna doesn't have kids. Pearl has a kid, and Anna was doing this, like, masculine thing where she was being really aggressive, vociferous and attacking. Pearl and Pearl had this sort of, like, calm. Why are we infantilizing Pearl? Women who've given birth are better than women who haven't given. [00:21:09] - Have a child. - Anna is aping male characteristics. She's getting super aggressive and attacking like a weird little pit bull. That's that's mimicking male behavior. Everyone knows that that was painful. And the reality is it sucks for parole. You know, it's tough coming out here and trying to be a debater. [00:21:26] She's taking on, let's face it, one of the Michael Jordan's of debating. - Yeah. - Damn right. - I love that comment, I loved it. - Me too. Undefeated. Okay, so. [00:21:43] By the way, Pearl. Pearl doesn't have kids. Like. And it doesn't even matter. Pearl doesn't have kids. I don't have kids. Whether you have kids or not means nothing. - Gavin McInnes is a clown. - Oh, that was Gavin McInnes. Oh, I didn't even recognize him. Oh. That's hilarious. [00:21:59] So, look, my last comments are about those guys. You were Anna. Yeah, I mean, she won, but only because she was aping male characteristics. Whatever gets you through the night, brother. Okay. And and the crowd part. [00:22:17] That's a really interesting point. So this is an old trick. And by the way, honestly, we've packed crowds before too. Not as a trick, but just like we said, hey, we're going to Politicon. And then a whole bunch of people bought tickets. And then once people saw us doing that, Ben Shapiro then did it when we were debating, and he packed the crowd with like 90% of his guys. [00:22:34] But even so, when we got to money in politics and he's like, well, money in politics is great and the politicians should take money from Israel or whatever, right? He didn't say Israel in that case. Even his own crowd was like, boo. No, not at all. Right. But you did that on steroids here. [00:22:51] I mean, that crowd was in a lot of ways. They just started applauding you at some points. By the way, Ben Shapiro also did that trick at TP, USA. So he knew that Tucker was going to come on and he was going to come on. So they packed up totally pro-Israel crowd. So every time he's like, we should cancel them, [00:23:06] people are like, yes, cancel for Israel. Yes. Everybody else is like, who are these bozos? So it's an old trick. In this case, it didn't work at all. Well, you know, I don't really have time to pack anything except for, as my dad would say, my brain. [00:23:24] - I pack my brain. - Okay, so. Every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets its wings. Totally not true. But it does keep you updated on our live shows.