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Brown University. Great school.
Great. Great.
Really one of the greatest
schools anywhere in the world.
Things can happen.
So, to the nine injured.
Get well fast.
And to the families of those two
that are no longer with us.
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I pay my deepest regards and respects
from the United States of America.
Yeah. Tragic shooting in Brown.
Saying it happens
is not a great way of putting it.
Kash Patel with yet another significant
blunder in this particular case.
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But, for me, as soon as a little bit
personal, because one of my best
friend's son was in the building
about in a class about 200m, 200ft away.
Had to run out of
the building for his life.
I'm going to tell you all about that
and the perspective that it gives you
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as a parent in the middle of this.
It is, as you might expect, harrowing.
But Michael's got the facts
of the case first.
And you would think that because of kids
and parents, this sort of thing wouldn't
be happening as regularly as it does.
As a matter of fact, it's been 13 years
since the Sandy hook massacre,
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and now we have another day in America
and another mass shooting in our country.
On Saturday, an unknown assailant,
an unknown gunman, opened fire
inside a Brown University lecture hall.
As you heard,
filled with about 60 students.
Two students were killed.
Another nine were injured.
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Of those nine,
six are in critical but stable condition,
while another is in critical condition.
The two students killed
were sophomore Ella Cook
and freshman Muhammad Aziz MERS-CoV.
And they you can see their pictures there.
It's it's just heartbreaking.
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Young people in in school
studying on a Saturday.
And this happens according
to the instructor
who was wrapping up a study lesson
for his Principles of Economics class.
A man wearing a face mask
entered the classroom with a rifle
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and started shooting while screaming
something imperceptible.
According to his retelling
of the situation with The New York Times.
And you might have noticed
we said Unknown Gunman.
Well, that's due to institutional
incompetence at the hands of the FBI.
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Similarly to what we experienced
during the Charlie Cook situation early
yesterday morning, the Federal Bureau
of Investigation and their director,
Kash Patel, ran to XE to tout
the FBI's efforts in tracking down
an alleged person of interest.
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Here he is.
This is the director, Kash Patel.
An update on the FBI
response at Brown University.
FBI Boston established a command post
to intake, develop and analyze leads
and run them to ground.
I mean, people don't
speak English that way.
We activated the FBI's cellular analysis.
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Survey team to provide
critical geolocation capabilities.
As a result, early this morning,
FBI's Boston Safe Streets Task Force,
with assistance from the US marshals
And the Coventry,
Rhode Island Police Department detained
a person of interest in a hotel room
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in Coventry, Rhode Island, based off of a
lead by the Providence Police Department.
So you see there what he said.
However, that person was released
from custody only hours later,
meaning the actual shooter is still at
large and authorities are unsure, unsure
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if the shooter has already left the state.
According to Rhode Island Attorney
General Peter Neronha, there is no basis
to consider him a person of interest.
There just weren't a lot of cameras
in that Brown building.
We're not holding back video
that we think would be useful, and I don't
think I should even have to say it.
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In a press conference yesterday,
Providence Police Chief Oscar Perez
also explained what led them to the person
of interest and what actually happened.
Our director specifically said in his
tweet that it was a tip from Providence
police that led you all to Hampton Inn.
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Can you confirm if that's true?
And what exactly was the evidence
that led you to this person of interest?
Yes, it was a there was a tip that came in
just like we were taking any other tips.
And that one came in specifically
identifying a person of interest,
which was this individual.
And so we our detectives got on just like
they got on another this specific one.
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It was actually picked up by the, by
the FBI and they followed through with it.
And they ended up coming and locating
this individual of interest.
And at that point, we did a thorough
investigation, examined and ended
up drafting some search warrants,
came up with some evidence,
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but that evidence was examined
and we didn't have enough, obviously,
to be able to, to to prosecute anybody.
- And so that person was released.
- Yeah.
So then you have this from,
The New York Times, Neronha, who is
the attorney general of Rhode Island,
declined to describe what happened while
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the person of interest was in custody.
He also would not say
what led investigators to believe they did
not have enough evidence to move forward.
But today, Donald Trump
defended Kash Patel.
Shock of shocks
and pointed the finger at Brown University
for not identifying the shooter.
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As Kash Patel.
Told you why it's been so difficult for
the FBI to identify who the shooter is?
Well, it's always difficult.
So far, we've done a very good job of
doing it with Charlie, with, you know, the
various times this has happened, they've
done it in pretty much record time.
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But, you really have to ask the school
a little bit more about that because,
you know, this was a school problem.
They had their own guards, they had their
own police, they had their own everything.
But you'd have to ask that question
really to the school, not to the FBI.
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We came in after the fact,
and the FBI will do a good job,
but they came in after the fact.
Perfect response from the president there.
But as the manhunt
for the suspect continues today,
Providence police announced on Facebook
the city will have an enhanced presence
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and will be requesting camera footage from
businesses and residences in the area.
Police there have released a few videos
from different CCTV cameras
showing a person of interest.
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This is that person walking yesterday
on Hope Street in Providence,
said to be a male wearing all black.
But again, an ID has yet to be made.
Neronha declined to share details
about the investigations.
Next steps simply telling reporters
last night obviously we have a murderer
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out there, frankly, and so we're
not going to give away the game plan.
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For now, authorities don't believe
the gunman poses an ongoing threat
to the city itself.
And, you know, I think this is one
of those situations where,
how can you say he doesn't pose a threat?
He's a gunman.
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We don't know what motivated him
to go into Brown.
We don't know if he's still there.
Chances are he's not.
Because if he got away with it,
he's going to get out of Dodge.
But it's it seems
to be a lot of bumbling stumbling.
Yeah.
So, this is what I know from the parents.
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So like, again, one of my best friends,
his son is going to Brown.
He's in the engineering building.
The shootings in the engineering building.
They hear the shots.
He's about 200ft away.
And and eventually they decide
that they're going to make a run for it.
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They run out of the back of the building,
and and thank God he's okay.
Two people are shot and killed
in that building as we showed you.
So what happens next?
So the authorities are super worried
because they didn't catch the guy.
So first they take them down
to the basement and they keep them there
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for a long, long time
to make sure that the coast is clear.
Then they bring them out.
Now, the whole time, my friends, know
that there's been a shooting at Brown.
And imagine being in there where you've
got a son in this school and the shootings
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in the engineering building,
and your son is in that building.
Okay.
And so they're worried to death,
but they can't get him out.
The area is closed.
And so part of the reason
why they can't get him out
because they didn't catch the guy.
So the cops are worried
if we bring out the students.
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What if the guy is right around here
and he starts shooting again?
Right.
So they spend an enormous amount of time
where they won't let the kids out,
and they won't let the parents in.
I'm not blaming the local authorities,
I get it.
I understand why they did it.
It was a normal act of caution.
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And the what Michael Read
from the attorney general.
I get it that as well,
because they're in the middle
of an active investigation where they're
trying to still find the guy.
So they're saying, look, we don't want to
share information we have for good reason.
Okay.
I can take that at face value. Right.
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And so but for them to say no,
we're sure that the other guy, that the
guy, the shooter won't harm anyone else.
That doesn't make any sense.
How could you possibly be sure of that?
Unless you know who it is
and why they did it.
But it doesn't seem like you don't.
You know that stuff.
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So I know what they can't say is.
Hey, everybody in Rhode Island
freak out and be super worried
and don't come outside
because the shooter is still out there.
What if they don't catch him
for two weeks, two months or ever?
Right. So they're in a tough spot.
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But but at the same time,
don't tell us that things are safe
when there's no way in the world
we can think that they're safe right now
with the shooter still out there.
Now to their other reactions.
Trump blaming Brown.
I mean, classic Trump.
Just have some decency, man.
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But no, no, not us, not us. Not my fault.
Their fault, their fault. Okay.
That's his natural instinct.
And he does it every time.
And it's a liberal arts school.
So it's even more to his motivation
is to criticize any institution of higher
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learning that may teach liberal arts.
Yeah. So, Kash Patel.
Oh, my surveillance state tech is awesome.
So that's why we caught the guy.
Oops. Not the right guy.
So your surveillance state, couldn't
prevent a shooting, caught the wrong guy,
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and hasn't caught the right guy.
Doesn't sound like your surveillance state
is very good at preventing crime
or catching criminals.
But we're told we always have to give
up our rights so that you could have this
great tech that works so fantastically.
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Doesn't look like it.
Okay, now, in terms of the politics
of this situation.
What is the main issue here?
The main issue?
We don't know in terms
of what the motivation of the shooter,
but it looks random, right?
And I would be very surprised
if it wasn't random random, meaning some
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guy who's lost his mind or had broke
up with a girlfriend or hated a professor
or something along those lines, right?
One of the girl who was killed
was in the Young Republicans.
The guy who was killed.
Sounds like he's got a muslim name.
I don't see any connection. Right.
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And that doesn't mean anything.
The authorities might know
things we don't know, right?
But what's the connective tissue between
this and all the other mass shootings?
Guns, obviously. Right.
And, And so here again,
good news, bad news.
Good news is almost the whole country
agrees on at least two things.
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They wouldn't be panaceas.
They wouldn't cure everything.
But at least it's a little bit better.
One is universal background checks.
86% of Americans want them, including
the great majority of gun owners.
Other is red flag laws. 80% of Americans
want them, and I think a slight majority
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of gun owners want them as well.
But that other 20% is super powerful.
So the gun lobby buys our politicians.
It used to be both,
but now they're Democrats.
This is one of the places where there
is a difference between the parties.
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Democrats don't take money
from the gun lobby anymore.
So they actually want to stop this.
And they try from time to time
to pass real gun control laws.
The Republicans still take money
from the gun lobby, are 100% against any
gun control, even the most basic one
that the overwhelming majority
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of the country agrees with.
But they also do have a 20% of the country
that is their base
that is super animated about this
and they will not, you know, move on this.
No matter what happens, you can
kill half the people in the country with,
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on semiautomatic weapons,
assault rifles, whatever it might be.
Right?
And they'll be like,
nope, nope, nope, freedom.
Second amendment.
And you know, I've been talking
to the right wing a lot these days.
And you guys know that.
And I bring you back news
of how they view Epstein files,
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how do they view drug prices, etc.
On this one. They are an immovable object.
And when I talk about gun control,
they loathe it, loathe it.
So given that there's a lot of money
on one side plus an immovable 20%
of the country, you know me.
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I'm filled with hope.
But this is not
what I have a lot of hope on.
I think that winning on this is going
to be extraordinarily difficult, and since
we're not going to win on it for a long,
long time, maybe decades,
we just have to accept
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that we're all playing Russian roulette
with our lives and our kids lives.
I told you now, years ago,
maybe a decade ago, I said, there's going
to be a local shooting,
shooting coming to your neck of the woods.
There's no question about it.
Don't be surprised.
There will be a mass shooting
where you live and people have written
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in hundreds of comments
since then saying, yep, yep, that's.
And now it happened
to one of my best friend's kid, right?
In terms of being in the middle of it.
And now there's a couple of people that
went to Brown that were part of parkland
shooting and maybe one other shooting.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, yeah.
So now it's happening twice the people,
because mass shootings,
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391 of them already this year alone, 75
school shootings already this year alone.
So what we've accepted here
in America is stunning.
And other countries are amazed by it.
We've accepted that there's going to be
random acts of terror all the time.
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It's almost like an apocalyptic scene
where, oh yeah, every once in a while
zombies will attack,
but there's nothing we can do about it,
and yet they'll kill a bunch of people
and they'll they'll
be more than one attack per day.
They'll be slaughter
after slaughter after slaughter.
And we just have to sit there and take it.
And yes,
that is the current state of affairs.
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You know, and you'd think
that it's one of the great curiosities
of American politics to me is are guns
because there is this popularity,
not an activist popularity, but there's
a popularity to what you're talking about.
The the smallest number of or the smallest
amount of restrictions on guns,
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which isn't restricting guns
or ending the Second Amendment.
It's something the conservatives have done
very well that they say the Democrats
want to repeal the Second Amendment.
Never is that part of the conversation,
but they're very good
at making other people think that that's
what the Democrats want to do.
And people don't check their facts.
And it's made this very, very strong.
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But, you know, the gun measures
that most of the NRA and most gun owners
support are really mild gum measures.
They're background checks.
You'd think that would help anyone
when a gunman goes into a school, if it's
in Mississippi or Alabama or Texas or in
Providence, Rhode Island, they're not.
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They're generally speaking, these
random acts to kill somebody who disagrees
with them or from the other party that,
you know, there are times
when there's terrorism in that way.
But this is just mass violence.
And look, each time is the first time.
So you say, oh,
they didn't have guards in there.
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Well, you know that people
are prepared for this sort of thing,
but each one is different from the other
and how they happen.
And now that we're reaching critical mass
where people there was someone
in the Las Vegas shooting, you know,
when the guy opened fire on a concert,
who who was killed after having had
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survived another shooting recently?
There was someone who was killed who had
been in another sort of notable, I don't
recall where it was notable shooting.
And then we had somebody who two kids
who had already been in school shootings,
who were in this.
It's just amazing to me
that this continues to happen.
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And like I said, it's a great curiosity
of American politics
that you cannot, for some reason,
step in and do something about this.
It is it is ineffective governance,
and it's people being afraid
to go after these kinds of issues.
Last thing is, remember guys,
the gun lobby is ecstatic about shootings
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like this because it makes everyone panic.
They know that we can't
pass any laws on gun control.
After every shooting,
gun sales go up, not down.
So it's a huge win win for them.
And I say I think they're very evil people
in the gun manufacturers.
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Why do I say that?
They don't even let you take
the most clear things
that would prevent cop killings.
For example, help you to identify
who the killer is, like technology,
where you would need a certain fingerprint
or DNA to be able to use a gun.
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That way we know
who actually did the killing.
And if you're defending yourself,
no problem at all.
That's for law abiding gun owners, right?
They're like, no, why do they say no
to common sense measures like that?
Because they think, well,
we want the bad guys using the guns.
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I want to sell more.
And if I maximize profit.
And so I'm going to sell the good guys,
I'm going to sell the bad guys.
And once the bad guys kill the good guys,
beautiful, I'm going to have
way more business because the good guys
are going to buy even more guns.
And when I say about the cop,
they're against cop killer
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banning cop killer bullets, bullets
that can go through bulletproof vests.
There's literally no reason
for those other than to kill cops.
And even with the cop lobby being as
strong as it is, we can't pass that law.
No. They go.
We demand to have cop killer bullets.
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That's insane. It's absolutely insane.
You remember when a gunman
opened fire on the baseball practice
that the Republicans,
they played this game in Congress.
It's annually for charity.
The Democrats versus the Republican,
the congressional baseball game.
And
and the guy opened fire on, a practice.
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Steve Scalise was crippled
for life from that.
And all those Republicans came
out afterwards, including Steve Scalise,
who could barely walk and wasn't expected
at one point to survive.
No pro gun doubling down on guns,
guns, guns, guns, guns.
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You can't if you can't make Newtown
and Sandy hook work and you can't make
Republicans in Congress having a gunman
opened fire on them, a random shooting,
you're not going to get anywhere.
The dollar is too powerful.
And this goes back again
to to campaign finance reform.
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- Get the dollars out.
- Yes.
Super duper last thing.
Because if you don't live in America,
you're going to be stunned
by the if you aren't already stunned
by everything we've said here,
but the very last one in America,
if there is a terrorism watch list, I
don't know how good that list is in terms
of actually being terrorists on that list.
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But if you're on that list,
you're in a world of trouble.
You can't fly.
There's a thousand restrictions you have,
but the one restriction they don't allow
is banning those people
from buying weapons.
Oh, you're on the terrorism watch list.
You're so dangerous
you can't take a train.
But here, here's an assault rifle.
Go kill anyone you like.
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We've lost our minds.
And that's why shootings like this
happen literally every day in America.
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