We have a sitting member of Congress from Florida called. Called Randy fine, who is literally texted or put on Twitter. We should kill them all. Every single one someone texted a picture of of literally of a dead baby. And he laughs at it. And it's like, this guy's a lawmaker who's appropriating money [00:00:16] to a military committing genocide. And that's cool. That is much worse than anything Nick Fuentes has said. All right. So that's yesterday. Tucker Carlson there pointed out that while he's been targeted for interviewing Nick Fuentes, [00:00:31] Congressman Randy fine has received really no widespread backlash for repeatedly wishing starvation and death on the people of Gaza. Jenk your $0.02. Yeah, I think what he said there is inarguable. Fuentes has said awful things, and we'll get into it in a second. [00:00:47] But Randy fine has said things that are worse. We should murder 2 million people, and he has the power to execute that. He has the power to take our money to do it. And so I don't think it gets worse than Randy. Fine. So I agree with Tucker on that. Later in his interview with Megyn Kelly, he saw her there. [00:01:03] Carlson explained why he thinks Israel is such an important topic. Trump is elected. I campaigned for him with and I love Trump. I just want to say that. But the second he gets elected, who's the first person to visit Bibi? Then he comes again. Then he comes again. And it's like the energy of the administration and of the entire US [00:01:23] government is all of a sudden about Iran. I'm not actually mad at Israel. I'm mad at our leaders for spending their time and my money focusing on someone else's country. Yeah. So Carlson is not just being attacked for interviewing Nick Fuentes. He's also getting renewed backlash for the other controversial figures [00:01:40] that he's interviewed in the past, such as Vladimir Putin and the president of Iran. Here's Carlson explaining why he speaks with those figures. That was the first thing I wanted to achieve with Nick Fuentes is like, what is this? Tell me, you know, I'll give you two hours. I have only watched your clips for like a minute long. [00:01:57] I want to hear, like, why don't you describe what you think? Because I think that's the small role that I play, which is to get documentary evidence of people describing what they think. I did it with Putin. I'll probably do it with every other bad person in the world because I'm interested, not because I agree with him, because I think it's interesting. [00:02:14] Okay. But the problem here is, and it almost sounds reasonable. And much of it perhaps is when Carlson speaks like this. But I remember when he was over with Putin, he was in a grocery store, and there was a lot of foolish things going on, and it seemed like he was on a propaganda campaign, [00:02:29] not just sitting down with the dictator. What say you? Yeah, he almost seemed to acknowledge in a different part of that conversation that, yeah, he might have been a little too soft on Putin and Fuentes. And he's like, okay, then you do the interview, right? So okay. Yeah, I hear that. [00:02:46] On the other hand, I think you're also right. So, look, this whole platforming thing is bedeviling because on the one hand, the idea of like, yeah, well, why can't we talk to anyone? [00:03:02] Is compelling. So he. You know, he mentioned about Jeffrey Dahmer, right? And Jeffrey Dahmer is worse than Fuentes. He literally ate people. And Diane Sawyer platformed him by interviewing him. And you remember Mike Wallace, interviewed Fidel Castro and, the Ayatollah. [00:03:21] So another journalist had interviewed Osama bin laden. So are we not supposed to do that, or are we just supposed to the sound of silence because, okay, that guy is too bad a person right now. [00:03:36] On the other hand. Okay, so he comes on. Would I have been tougher on Fuentes? I mean, I'd like to think so. I mean, go back in. Well, you can't watch my old David Duke interview because YouTube and other platforms have taken it off. They've deplatformed it. But if you could watch it, you'd see me debunking his antics [00:03:55] and debunking his racism and all of that. And yeah, so I would I have gone harder against Fuentes? I would like to think that I would, right. And I think there's a lot to go after. Amon, on the other hand, people are just lying about Tucker [00:04:10] Carlson's, views on anti-Semitism. He said it during the Fuentes, conversation, and he said it again multiple times during the Megyn Kelly conversation. He says, my Christian belief is that everyone is an individual, and that associating any one thing with [00:04:29] a whole group, a race, a religion, etc. Is wrong. And it was actually really refreshing to hear Tucker Carlson say that. And he said, even my own group is not, does not have some magical quality where we are. All right. Right. You have to judge people based on the individual. [00:04:46] That's why anti-Semitism is irrational and I would never do it. Now, have you guys heard people saying, well, yes, but Tucker Carlson is, you know, vehemently come out against anti-Semitism time and time and time again. No, If you watch mainstream media, you would think that he agreed with Fuentes. [00:05:05] Oh, yeah. The real problem is the Jews. He didn't say that. He said the opposite. - So that's why it's a mixed bag. - Yeah, I just. Do you believe Tucker Carlson's global history? And I know you said he's pointed out time and time again that, you know, he doesn't [00:05:22] believe some of these anti-Semitic views that have been espoused. But do you believe his total package doesn't have a foot in that doesn't have a foot in racism? And I'm really just asking because, you know, I have people over here who say [00:05:39] this, people over there who say this, and sometimes I sway back and forth when I hear Tucker say things like, basically, we're all equal sounding Martin Luther King ish. I then am on this side, but I think of other things in the past. Yeah, no, no, it's fair guys, because we've seen Tucker do it [00:05:57] over a long period of time. Right. And so we've seen the dog whistles and we've seen the innuendo, etc. And we've pointed out here on The Young Turks at the same time as Tucker changed a little bit. Well, there's some argument that he has, and so, for example, [00:06:15] he says he's wrong about the Iraq War. Well, that's a huge change. And now he's becoming a lot more populous. Why? He's untethered from Fox News. And if it was just Tucker, you might think maybe it's a trick, but wait a minute. It's a phenomenon that's happening to a lot of the right wing hosts [00:06:31] and to a lot of the independent hosts, and they're now beginning to wake up more and more and say, wait, why are we just kissing Israel's ass? And they're totally right about that. Why aren't we releasing the Epstein files? They're totally right about that. And now they've even moved on to. Wait a minute. [00:06:46] I wonder if it's the corporate donors that are causing all these problems. Joe Rogan said it. It was the last story we did. Steve Bannon, it has started to talk about corporatism. I mean, I did like a four hour conversation with Lex Fridman about corporatism. Go check that out. [00:07:01] And now, a year later or more, actually a year and a half later, to see right wing independence, etc., beginning to realize we're living under corporate rule. I don't think all of that is fake. Right? So then the question is, is how genuine is Tucker in this regard? [00:07:18] Well, look, when Fuentes says it's the Jews that are doing it, it's and we should white people should rule and Christians should rule. Well, he's very clear, and I'm against that. Right. So when Tucker says, I don't agree with that, and I think you should trust judge people based on them as individuals and say that no group, [00:07:38] white people or black people, Christians or Jews or Muslims is superior, like Sharon. What am I supposed to do with that? Say reject it? Well, that's what we believe. And remember, even if it's a so-called trick, he's telling millions of people [00:07:55] that watch him and listening to him that message that we're all individuals. And that's the message we agree with. So yes, he probably should have been tougher on Fuentes. Other than that, what are we doing here? Is this I mean, it's not just we're not having a conversation of do I [00:08:13] agree with Tucker Carlson entirely? Would I vote for Tucker Carlson? Am I a fan of Tucker? We're not having that conversation. Tucker and I disagree on a million things. We're having the conversation of should Tucker Carlson be canceled and no one should ever talk to him again. And Megyn Kelly was wrong to talk to him, and he should be persona non grata [00:08:31] because he's so venomous that, oh, by the way, that's apparently a trope. But you can say it about Christians. You can't say it about anyone who loves Israel, but you can say about Muslims, Christians, etc. So is Tucker venomous enough when he's saying the right things [00:08:48] that we should cancel him? And I say no to that? No, he definitely, definitely should not be canceled. So that I'm clear on every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true, but it does keep you updated on our live shows.