I have the names of the people who are making the claim that the that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. You can't come to me and say, everybody I know says he killed himself. And then I respond saying, I actually have my own sources who say he didn't. And then you say, well, your sources are not valid [00:00:15] because they won't put their names on it. The same thing holds true for people who are making claims on the other side. Otherwise, I can claim that he was working for a cadre of space aliens who were blackmailing high profile Americans in order to protect from a future invasion. Megyn Kelly recently debated Ben Shapiro on the notion that Jeffrey Epstein [00:00:33] killed himself while in prison. And while Kelly hasn't really made a definitive statement about anything related to Epstein, she wants more evidence. She wants openness and transparency. Ben Shapiro, interestingly enough, quick and pretty eager [00:00:48] to buy the government's claims. Interesting. Now, the debate began with Megyn Kelly potentially breaking news here about some of what her sources have been telling her about Epstein behind the scenes. [00:01:04] Let's take a look. I have my own sources high up in the law enforcement. Let's say I'll just go that far. Who say, not only do we believe he was an agent, but we don't believe he killed himself. I mean, that's fine. Then they should come out and they should say that. [00:01:20] And then they should say, who's covering that up? Okay, but this is what they can't. I mean, there are a lot of people who say they can't write their they can't, because let's look at what the administration is saying right now. They don't want to be the one to cross Trump. Look, my position is let's show us all the evidence so we can come to our own conclusions. [00:01:35] I have names of the people. So I agree with you. That's fine. So Ben Shapiro says he has his own sources, and I want to go to that video next because it's interesting who he's relying on here. He names names. [00:01:51] Megyn Kelly says, look, these are conversations I've had with sources. Off the record. I haven't gotten permission to share their names, so I'm not going to do that. Shapiro is like, I've got my own sources. I'm going to name some names, so let's hear who they are. I have the names of the people who are making the claim [00:02:06] that the that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and that the most gross, you know, and sort of extreme of the conspiracy theories or theories just don't even call them conspiracy theories. The most sort of, you know, extreme version of the theory is not true. I have names of the people who are claiming that they are all in the administration. [00:02:22] You can't come to me and say, everybody I know says he killed himself. And then I respond saying, I actually have my own sources who say he didn't. And then you say, well, your sources are not valid because they won't put their names on it. Okay. Who are your sources? Let's go down the list and then we'll talk about why they might be saying that. [00:02:39] My sources are the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States, Kash Patel, the head of the FBI, Dan Bongino, the deputy head of the FBI. And Pam Bondi, the attorney general. Your sources are the people that are alleged to have taken part in the cover up. Okay. [00:02:54] Go ahead. Jake. Yeah. So, look, he is now doing something that makes me think that he is super comfortable, that the files are never, ever, ever going to be released. 100%. Because he keeps saying in this conversation. [00:03:10] But in other things I've seen him say as well, like, yeah, sure, I agree they should release the files. He almost does it with a smirk like, yeah, good luck with that. Right. So I can say anything I want about it now, because I know that Trump's not releasing the files and obviously the Democrats never released the files. We got this right. [00:03:26] He seems like, like almost thrilled that the files are not released. And then he says, oh, are there people inside the government who say that it is intelligence agencies or, you know, that there really are clients? Well, why don't they come out then? Actually, let's go to that video because I appreciate what Megan Kelly says [00:03:46] in response to his argument. Take a look. You've got Dan and you've got Pam. And we've already discussed that memo in in full detail. I'm talking about people behind the scenes who prior to to this to Trump taking office. [00:04:01] I'm not going to get too specific, but trust me, I have high level sources who have said they don't believe any of that, any of that. So, and I'm not going to out them for purposes of convincing you. But you're telling me. Name them. No, I'm not going to. I don't have authorization. And then you say, well, I dismiss all of it because you won't name them. [00:04:17] Hold on. Megan, I'm not saying you should name them. I'm saying they should name themselves because otherwise they are being complicit in one of the greatest cover ups in the history of. That's easy for you to say, Ben. That's easy. That's very easy for you to say. - Okay. - It's easy for me to say why? Because you'll have your job and you'll have your millions. - No matter what. - You kidding? [00:04:32] Megan, give me a break. There are reasons not to cross the people who are in charge. And that's all I'm going to say. Look, this is me not having drawn a conclusion. I don't know what the truth is. And in addition to Shapiro still being able to enjoy his job [00:04:47] and his millions, right. Or anyone who is part of the cover up, being able to enjoy their jobs and their millions. I mean, there have been a lot of strange deaths among individuals who had who were associated with Epstein as well, and we'll get to that in just a minute. [00:05:03] But, you know, the other thing I'll just say is Ben Shapiro insists on just believing what Trump administration officials are saying about the Epstein files. Okay. But there is reason to not trust them, especially after they put out a doctored video of Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell. [00:05:22] No. Is that not suspicious at all to Ben Shapiro? That doesn't make these government officials lose credibility. These cabinet members of Trump's administration lose credibility. Yeah. So what he's saying is, look, most of us think that Epstein was killed because there's no video of the hallway. [00:05:38] They put out a fake video of the common room. It doesn't make any sense. We said on the day of that, if there was no video in the hallway, he was likely killed. And every part of their story is falling apart, etc. So keep that in mind as then Ben Shapiro grins and goes, oh, if they'd like to, [00:05:56] they should come out and say it. Well, the last guy who had evidence, Jeffrey Epstein got killed in an American prison, and both the Republicans and the Democrats said it was no big deal, and they covered up that story. [00:06:12] So now you think it's no big deal for somebody to come out and say, yeah, I have all the evidence of either the CIA or Mossad or Clinton and Trump together doing all this when there's bodies everywhere. And so and the other thing is, why is Shapiro and Mark Levin and almost [00:06:30] every Israeli supporter, the only ones out there going, yeah, we got to move on. We got to move on. This is there's nothing to see here. There's nothing to see here. And so they're adding to the suspicions that people like us have. 100%. Like, I wasn't as nearly as suspicious until they started, like, panicking. [00:06:47] - Exactly, exactly. - And so. But one more thing about that. So he says, well, my sources are Donald Trump. What? Don't you trust Donald Trump? No, no, no. So he's saying that in a taunting way because forget the audience and the voters. [00:07:03] A lot of the social media hosts and influencers are afraid of crossing Trump because they're worried about the reaction, right? So he knows that he could play that trick with Megyn Kelly, and Megyn Kelly has to at least go only halfway in that direction. Right? [00:07:18] She can't say, yeah, I don't trust Trump. So he's doing a rhetorical trick. But wait a minute. Every time that Trump disagreed with Israel, Ben Shapiro came out and was like, this is wrong. This is outrageous. Trump is what you didn't trust Trump. I thought you trusted Trump with everything. [00:07:33] Watch. You'll see Ben Shapiro disagree with Trump a dozen more times in the next three and a half years. Right. And every time you say to him, well, don't you trust Trump? Don't you trust Trump? No, it's just a debating trick. Right? It's the reality is he doesn't trust Trump. [00:07:49] - He trusts Israel and only Israel. - Yeah. And look, one of the theories and I was skeptical of this theory, but I warmed up to the idea after listening to the whole Epstein series from the Martyr Made podcast because it's so well sourced [00:08:06] and there's a lot of citations there that I looked into personally. And it just got me thinking, let's put it that way. But there's other elements of Epstein's life and death and the associates he had that make one believe. [00:08:21] Yeah, it seems like he was either working with Mossad or was an asset of Mossad. So, for instance, Alex Acosta, I've mentioned this before, who was the prosecutor in the Epstein case, took it easy on him and also gave him a sweetheart plea deal. [00:08:36] And when he was asked about it after the fact, Acosta said, well, I was told to back off because Epstein was intelligence. Okay. That's interesting. And then there are other suspicious deaths of Epstein tied individuals like model, [00:08:52] model agent Luc, Jean-Luc Bernal, or Bernal, I should say, who was actually being investigated for supplying minors Miners girls to Jeffrey Epstein. He was a close associate of Epstein's. He also allegedly killed himself while in prison, and the cameras [00:09:12] were also coincidentally off at the time that the suicide happened. I'm sure it's all a coincidence. The official Epstein autopsy said that it was suicide, right? That he hanged himself. But Epstein's brother said that upon further investigation, the bone fractures [00:09:28] weren't consistent with a hanging. I don't know how much credibility there is behind that. But you also have Virginia Giuffre. Giuffre? I forget her last name specifically, but she was the one who accused Prince Andrew of assaulting her. And, you know, being part of all of this. [00:09:48] She's gone now. She's dead. - She was. - I have one more. Ghislaine Maxwell's dad. Robert Maxwell, who was tied to Mossad. That's well known. Not tied to Mossad. He was Mossad, right? So one, a legendary Israeli spy. [00:10:04] But around the time that the Epstein news was breaking, he fell off his boat in the middle of the ocean and passed away. Yeah, that happens often. It happens in Russia a lot. And now. And and by the way, I mean, yes, I know, of course, Israel would never do that [00:10:22] because it's not like they've killed a record number of journalists. Oh, right. They did in Gaza. It's not like they've killed a record number of human rights workers. Oh, right. They did in Gaza. It's not like they killed a record number of children. Oh, right. They did in Gaza or Americans. Yeah, but but what's hilarious to me is, look, do I know Mossad definitely did it? [00:10:41] Of course not. I don't have secret intelligence for Mossad or CIA. Right. And maybe it's the CIA, right? And that's also perfectly plausible. Absolutely right. But if you say to me, oh, how dare you suggest it might be Mossad? Well, Mossad would never do anything like that. [00:10:58] I mean, you'd have to be, like, painfully stupid or the biggest liar in the world to say that Mossad or the CIA is so moral that they would never do something like this. So now I'm going to go to Glenn Greenwald. So again, remember, guys, this is never about, you know, [00:11:14] religion, Jews, not Jews, right? Because Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin are there. What's interesting about them is not that they're Jewish, it's that they're massive Israeli supporters. And they often say that they talk to government officials in Israel and which to me, sounds like they're getting marching orders from them. [00:11:31] Right. Whereas there's a lot of Jewish people in media that are totally in the middle, as surprised as we are, what the hell is going on? And then there's been the great advocates like Dave Smith, Glenn Greenwald, etc.. So Glenn wrote in the other day, he's like, okay, so you're saying [00:11:46] the Mossad angle is crazy? Hold on, number one. One of Epstein's closest friends was former Israeli PM Ehud Barak. - Yes. - Yep. And Barak visited him 30 times. Okay. A key source for number two, a key source for Epstein's vast wealth, though mysterious, was from Les Wexner, whose primary cause is Israel. [00:12:04] Okay. Huge donor to AIPAC. Ghislaine Maxwell's father, the billionaire Robert Maxwell, was a mossad agent who mysteriously died after that was reported. Though Maxwell was British, Israel gave him a state funeral when he died. Also true, Yitzhak Rabin, the Prime Minister at the time or earlier prime minister, attended. [00:12:22] Epstein got the red carpet treatment when visiting Israel. And number five, Epstein bankrolled major investments in Israeli tech. And there's more and more, right? But I don't read that to tell you guys. I'm sure it was Mossad. I really don't know. Right. I read that to you to say, like, is that one of the possibilities? [00:12:40] Well, of course it is. Right. And if you say no, the CIA's a possibility. Clinton and Trump are a possibility. MI6 is a possibility. But Mossad. Why? They would never. Then you're being absolutely ridiculous. [00:12:56] Every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true. But it does keep you updated on our live shows.