Newly released emails and text messages from a whistleblower further validate claims that one of Trump's top DOJ officials knowingly and deliberately violated a court order around deporting Kilmer, Abrego, Garcia and other immigrants earlier this year. [00:00:18] The messages show increasing alarm among justice. Justice Department lawyers that the administration had, in fact defied court orders and that some officials, including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration, could face sanctions for misleading the courts. [00:00:37] That top DOJ official is Emil Bove, who is currently a nominee to be a federal appeals court judge. Before we get exactly into what exactly was in those emails and text messages, Jank, do you think this could impact his nomination? [00:00:54] I don't know that the Republicans will vote no on anything. Right. So here's a guy who is, you're about to see, basically told his staff to ignore judge's judges orders. He would now like to be a judge. And the Republicans will almost certainly unanimously say yes. [00:01:13] Wild it is. It is wild. But let's get into the specifics here. Emails and text messages sent to Congress by former DOJ lawyer Perez, who in June filed a complaint against Bove, shed new details and allegations that Bove had floated giving us courts a big f you [00:01:35] during a Justice Department meeting discussing the then planned deportations. Now, for context, Reuveni represented the DOJ in three cases related to the Trump administration's crackdown on undocumented immigration and was fired after admitting in court where he is required to tell the truth [00:01:55] under questioning from a judge that in April, the administration illegally deported Kilmer Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran man residing in Maryland who had a protective court order barring his removal to El Salvador. [00:02:10] According to a whistleblower complaint filed by Reuveni and obtained by The New York Times last month, Bove stated during a march meeting that the DOJ might just need to tell the courts to eff off if they attempted to interfere with plans to transfer migrants [00:02:28] to a foreign prison in El Salvador known for its human rights abuses. On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee released text messages and emails from earlier this year between Reuveni and a colleague. In text messages with the Justice Department deputy director, August Flint, [00:02:46] written the day the deportations took place, Reuveni wrote that it was time to find out about the few. Flint jokingly replied that it had been good working with him, and that they were likely saved for today by the fact that Judge James Boasberg is on vacation. [00:03:04] In another text exchange, made four days after the government was accused of deporting the migrants in violation of a court order. Ruvigny wrote that at this point, why don't we just submit an emoji of a middle finger as our filing to the court? So stupid, replied Flint. [00:03:20] But when Bove was asked about this during his nomination hearing just a couple weeks ago, this is what he said. I don't want to disparage that Whistle-Blower in this proceeding, but I also have to address to some extent the allegations, as you noted at the outset. [00:03:37] I'm also bound by privileges that the whistleblower did not consider himself bound with in leaking that report to this committee just yesterday. But there are a few things I'd like to say and confirm. I will reiterate, I did not advise any Justice Department attorney [00:03:56] to violate court orders. The Deputy Attorney General, as you made clear in your opening remarks, chairman, has confirmed that the account in that whistleblower complaint is not accurate. [00:04:12] So. Telling staff to violate court orders, violating court orders, potentially now. Janke. Was this lying to Congress? Of course it is. But to be fair to that, brother, almost everybody lies to Congress when they're getting nominated, like all the justices are, like politics, political opinions. [00:04:32] What name? So never heard of him. Roe v Wade. What do you mean, Roe v Wade? Never heard of it. Okay, so they all lie. But anyway, so it is technically a crime. So in this case though, this is and I don't know if I could continue to be amazed, but all right, first let me give a slight defense here. [00:04:49] So Pam Bondi made an interesting point. To be fair. She I know first one, first one for everything. Anyway, she said, I can't find the Epstein files even though they were right here on my desk. No. Okay. She said, look, we were appealing the case, so how can he be in violation [00:05:08] of a court order or encourage people to be in violation of a court order if we're appealing the case? Okay, that's not that bad a point, but then the problem is in the internal documents, which we now see. He's there alluding to him saying, tell the courts f you [00:05:25] we're not following your orders. So that seems to defeat your earlier point. Okay, so, what I'm curious about Jordan is so if this brother gets on the court, which he almost certainly will, I mean, what, Republicans are going to grow a conscience. And when I say Republicans in this context, I mean, they're politicians. [00:05:42] I don't mean they're voters, because you guys don't get to vote on it no matter what party you're in. The politicians do. So are they going to grow a conscience like, oh, you're right, you know what? The Trump team really has been ignoring a lot of court orders and that is dangerous. Maybe we should stop them. [00:05:59] I mean, I would it's not impossible, but I would be shocked. Right. But if he wins, then he like, what if lawyers come to him and go, sir, I'm going to go with your precedents F you. I'm not going to listen to any of your orders. Y you're a judge. [00:06:14] And you said earlier that we shouldn't listen to judges. This is nuts. This. This is where we are now. I mean, later in the show, we're going to tell you that Donald Trump appointed a professional troll, an alpha male, to be an ambassador [00:06:31] for the country to a real country. Like it's we full idiocracy. So, what do you do if you go in this guy's court and he doesn't even believe in the court system or listening to the judges, it's mental. [00:06:48] Yeah. It is. I mean, this is a scenario where the only people who are going to be able to violate court orders, or the only people who are going to be able to in this case, you know, blatantly lie and tell staff to do this type of stuff without repercussion are going to be the Republicans. [00:07:03] If anybody on the left, any Democrat did this, it would be a major scandal. Democrats, I assume, will try to turn this into one. But like you're saying, Republicans will probably confirm him. But the and I think what they'll do is they'll justify their doing so [00:07:21] with these new trumped up charges on Kilmer Abrego Garcia that they unveiled after it was impossible to ignore, they had to bring him back to the States. So that Pam Bondi, press conference, all of these charges, all the witness statements, all of these people who I mean, [00:07:38] every it was everything under the sun that they are accusing him of, you know, human trafficking across state lines, all these different trips just it's so ridiculous. It feels entirely fabricated. But we'll see as the court process plays out, I think they'll just use that. [00:07:56] Well, the oh, this is a gang member and he's doing X, Y and Z and all these heinous things. We had no choice. He was acting on his conscience. And they'll find some way to avoid addressing this claim directly. But as we're seeing here in these emails and texts, [00:08:13] this is something that people inside the DOJ knew was wrong when it was happening. It's not about what this person allegedly did before or after or later, what they charged him with later down the line. It's how you act and uphold the Constitution and respect [00:08:31] for our institutions in that moment. And like you're saying, it's ludicrous. This is somebody who is now going to be potentially a judge, but he doesn't have respect for the position to begin with. But as it plays out time and time again, Republicans aren't going aren't going to care when it's someone on their side doing it. [00:08:49] Yeah. Last two quick things on it. When you look at the internal documents, it's a clown show through and through. They're like, okay, let's prove that he's an Ms. 13 member or leader. So wait, is he a member or a leader? And what do you mean? Let's prove it. Do you have evidence? [00:09:04] Because if you have evidence, what you say is. Oh, here's evidence that he's a member of Ms. 13. Not let's go try to find out if he's a member of Ms. 13 or a leader of Ms. 13. Things we just invented. And another guy is like, yeah, Tren de Aragua right? [00:09:20] Like no, no, no that's a Venezuelan gang. Remember we're trying to make up that he's in the gang from El Salvador. Oh, right. That's. Sorry, I forgot which one thing we were making up. Okay. And and what is it? All in service of Donald Trump's thin skin? [00:09:36] Because if he just said, oh, okay, that guy shouldn't have been deported, but the rest of them should have, or whatever he says, right. That's not really true either. But anyway, and here we're going to go get the right guys and we'll return the guys we did wrong. Who cares, right? No, can't. No way. [00:09:52] Donald Trump is a god. He's never wrong. And that's why they have to make sure they bury this guy and make up that he's in some gang photoshopped things. And that idiot Trump, he's like, no, I saw it, I saw it. Do you not understand the concept of Photoshop? [00:10:07] Everybody keeps telling you that stupid picture you looked at with the miss 13 on his knuckles is photoshopped. He's like, no, I saw it. It could be photoshopped and you could still see it. Photoshop is not invisible. Okay, so it's a clown car. Total clown car. [00:10:25] Every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true. But it does keep you updated on our live shows.