May 9, 2025
Fox Host Gives SURPRISING Defense Of Pope's Concern For Immigrants, The Poor
Fox News contributor Raymond Arroyo said that ‘Jesus would do the same,’ in referring to Pope Leo XIV's concern for the poor and immigrants.
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But look, all popes are going to support
migrants, support the poor, support peace.
That is, their heart goes out to humanity.
That's with the job.
I don't Jesus would do the same.
Doesn't it feel a little bit ironic that
Republicans will say that Jesus supports
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immigrants and migrants and the poor,
but they themselves would not do the same?
Well, yesterday,
Fox News contributor Raymond Arroyo
spoke with Will Cain of the about
the future of the Catholic Church
and placing labels like conservative and
liberal on newly deemed Pope Leo the 14th.
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The news is especially relevant
since Leo is the first American pope
in history, and he has taken shots
at both Donald Trump and J.D.
Vance.
In February, Pope Leo posted the following
article on X and the headline is J.D.
Vance is wrong.
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Jesus doesn't ask us
to rank our love for others.
And that was in reference to a statement
that Vance made in January saying,
there is a Christian concept
that you love your family,
and then you love your neighbor,
and then you love your community,
and then you love your fellow citizens.
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And then after that,
prioritize the rest of the world.
A lot of the far left
has completely inverted that.
He posted this article in 2015.
Cardinal Dolan says why Donald Trump's
anti-immigrant rhetoric is so problematic.
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And last month, Pope Leo reposted
criticism of Trump and Kelly's
flippant treatment of migrants sent
to prisons in El Salvador.
However, unlike those
who have taken shots at him,
like Laura Loomer, for example, Will Cain
surprisingly had a much more logical way
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of thinking about the new pope.
Was selected and ordained by God,
and it is not a political office.
It's not the same thing
as electing a United States Senator.
So in some ways it's inappropriate to say,
is he conservative?
Is he liberal?
But is he progressive
in the vein of Pope Francis?
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That seems to be the great question.
I hear you saying.
The answer is yes.
And why that matters is where he may stand
and where he may lead his flock on issues
as far and as wide as climate change, on
die on, LGBTQ, on a whole host of issues.
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And we wonder, where will this new vision
be for the Catholic Church?
Well, hope springs eternal
will even in the Eternal City.
And here's what I'd say. It's a mixed bag.
The record is a mixed bag,
but there are indications.
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When you saw the Pope come out today,
he was wearing the traditional masetto
that that red garment,
you know, atop his white cassock.
That is a that's kind
of a cry back to the past.
That's a wink at tradition.
Well, Arroyo continued,
and he doesn't really seem to care
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that the Pope has more progressive views
because Jesus would do the same.
So a lot of traditionalists
and conservative people said,
oh, look, he's dressing like a pope.
We frankly haven't seen this
in 12 years with Pope Francis.
So maybe Leo will be, as he mentioned
in his speech today, a bridge builder.
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One hopes.
I mean, when you look at his Twitter feed,
you know, he was for open borders
in the United States
and kind of took pot shots at J.D.
Vance and the Trump administration.
But look, all popes are going to support
migrants, support the poor, support peace.
That is, their heart goes out to humanity.
That's with the job.
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I don't Jesus would do the same.
I don't know if he'd get so political and
they're going to have to be careful of,
but maybe Pope Leo can bring together
the broken parts of this church
and Christianity and our society
and offer a countercultural, moral,
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clarion call that I think we need now.
So, as they touched on yesterday on
the show, that view isn't exactly shared
with the rest of MAGA.
Jack Posobiec even issued a warning to
conservatives saying he doesn't bode well
for Trump supporters.
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What I'm seeing from his social media
does not bode well for Trump supporters,
because we're seeing things here
where he's attacking JD Vance
and not years ago, very recently,
the choice of an American pope.
It is clearly a reaction to President
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Trump, and I honestly can't see this read
in almost any other light.
This is clearly a reaction.
I call this a reaction because here's the
question is this someone who wants to work
with the American president,
being that he is from the United States,
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being that he is someone who speaks
English, being that he is someone
who grew up in the United States,
or is this someone who antagonizes?
Not going to mince words, folks,
I'm not going to mince words.
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This is not the election
the conservatives wanted.
- God saved the church.
- The very America centric perspective.
But that aside, a lot of people apparently
didn't believe that the church was ready
for an American pope,
according to Cardinal Robert Barron.
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He told CBS news
Cardinal George of Chicago of happy memory
was one of my great mentors.
And he said, look, until America
goes into political Decline.
There won't be an American pope.
And his point was, if America is kind
of running the world politically,
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culturally, economically, they don't want
America running the world religiously.
So I think there's some truth to that,
that we're such a superpower
and so dominant.
They don't want to give us
also control over the church.
But keep in mind,
Pope Leo had dual citizenship with Peru,
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having spent much of his career
as a missionary in South America.
And he was apparently considered the least
American of the American cardinals,
whatever that even means.
Sharon, let's start with you
for the discussion.
We're seeing something
that has never happened before.
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This is a historic pope.
This is a historic moment,
not just for the United States,
but for the entire world.
And we're seeing that things
are not going well for conservatives.
They would have much rather see
somebody go in the opposite direction
from where Pope Francis was.
And they were lobbying for it. Right.
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They were putting money into this.
They were really trying to get
a more conservative pope there.
And again.
It all feels very America centric,
like they are trying to pull some strings,
even though we know that the Pope
is supposed to be a religious figure,
even though like he is
a very political figure at the same time.
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So what do you make of this?
What do you expect to see
coming out of this?
With the new papacy.
I think it will see something
probably profound and unprecedented.
I mean, can you imagine if they also
discover that Black Twitter is right?
And the new pope, Pope Leo the 14th,
has lineage through black Haiti.
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Okay. I mean, that would be a dream.
Okay, listen, the Pope is human, and I.
I tend to reject the political label.
He sees cruelty. He's calling out cruelty.
You know, Pope Francis, before he died,
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shortly before called on other cardinals
and people to speak out against
the what he felt were atrocities being
done to migrants and with immigration
and disappearing people.
So if this Pope sees it and is loud about
it, I don't call that attacking JD Vance,
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who was not Catholic.
Now he is Catholic and that's fine.
Okay, totally fine with that.
But this, Leo,
is a force to be reckoned with.
I do think that perhaps not in a vain way
that Trump wants, you know, to make it.
But I do think that everything going
on with this president and the cruelty
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and all kinds of infractions from a moral
standpoint, maybe very well did lead us
in the direction of a pope from Chicago.
Who knows?
This feels like a
very American response from the right.
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Right. Yeah.
There are an estimated
1.4 billion Catholics worldwide.
There's 350 million people in America.
Like.
I'm sorry.
Like, this thing isn't centered
on America, much less American politics.
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Like, you can't neatly map on the sort
of conservative liberal binary
on to the Catholic Church and the papacy.
It doesn't it doesn't really
neatly tie in that way to me.
You know, as somebody who's a lapsed
Catholic myself, if this guy is going
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to speak out against constant,
endless wars and, you know, speak to,
like, treating migrants as human
beings and, and our fellow citizens
and neighbors, then, I mean,
that's about as good as it's going to get.
Like any pope
is going to be anti abortion.
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Like straight up.
Like there's just no Catholic pope
who's going to be, quote unquote pro-life.
But if he's good on war, you know,
if he denounces the,
the atrocities that are happening in Gaza
to the Palestinian people or,
you know, Russia's aggression in Ukraine,
and tries to help bring about a peace.
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I mean, that's that's nice.
That's good enough for me.
Yeah. And, Sharon, I just want to clarify.
I meant like the the it's
political in the sense that the papacy
is political historically.
Right.
And the pope is influential
around the world.
Arguably, he's one of the most
influential people in the world.
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And there's a reason
why conservative Americans really wanted
to have a hold on the papacy.
On the papacy?
They wanted a foot in that door.
They were over there.
They were in Rome,
and they were throwing all these parties
and having all these dinners.
And they said,
this is who I want to be, the Pope.
And they said, here's our wine from
California, and here's all of our millions
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and maybe billions of dollars
if you give us the right pope.
So the fact that there's all this backlash
to a guy who is just calling out
very basic things,
like what you were saying, you know,
seeing evil and saying, this is not right.
This is not good.
The fact that conservatives are upset
about that really says a lot about them
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and their views on religion in general,
their views on Christ, I'll say.
Outside of, you know, organized religion.
So anyway.
Just quickly.
No, I just before you button up, I think
it's, it makes me giggle that they're
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so upset about this, quite frankly.
And that's petty. I get it.
But listen, I agree with you about
politics, but, you know, I made the point
about, you know, this sounds like a very,
you know, American type of response.
How about it was centered perhaps
on American hate and this this need
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to reverse the tide here that
this American president and his friends
are spreading throughout the world.
I'm not saying that there aren't others.
And, you know, it's going on in
other places, but perhaps the church needs
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to play a role in beating back
what is deemed so damn cool.
Okay.
Yeah. And I don't like the socks.
Could be that.
I mean, that that is a great point.
You know, because the the it was
a very American centric response.
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But it's also maybe it was a response
to Americanism and to Trumpism
because all of that has been exported
in no unreal way into, you know,
to various countries around the world.
So maybe it's more of a global response,
but it does make sense that the Americans
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would see that and take it personally.
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