We want to make sure that we draw the line here at Kilmer Garcia, because it's not just about him, it's about the fact that in the Oval Office, Donald Trump brought up that he wants to do the same thing to, quote unquote, homegrowns. Homegrowns being U.S. Citizens, a complete violation of our Constitution. [00:00:17] I don't want to wait until it gets to that point. Fox host Will Cain either play dumb or prove just how much of a media bubble conservatives like him live in when this happened just last night. Take a look. American citizens, do you have that in front of you? [00:00:34] I've not seen that statement. Can you please quote where that comes from? That he would like to deport American citizens? He said it in the Oval Office. He said he wants to go for homegrown people born and raised in the United States. - Citizen. - Do you have anything? And then do you have anything besides your word on that? [00:00:49] I have I have not seen I have not seen that. So beyond your word, do you have the source of that? I would love to see that clip or that transcript of him saying he wants to deport American citizens. There is a clip online. I encourage people to just Google Donald Trump. Homegrown. Deporting homegrown criminals. [00:01:07] So in summary, Fox News host Will Cain did not believe Congressman Maxwell Frost claim that President Donald Trump had called for the deportation of American citizens. And we're going to get to his so-called correction in just a second. But first, let's actually remind everyone of what Trump has said, [00:01:26] not just once, but repeatedly. He's been saying this repeatedly over the past few weeks. Take a look. We also have homegrown criminals that push people into subways, that hit elderly ladies on the back of the head with a baseball bat when they're [00:01:43] not looking, that are absolute monsters. I'd like to include them in the group of people to get them out of the country. I have suggested that, you know, why should it stop just at people that cross the border illegally? We have some horrible criminals, American grown and born. [00:02:01] I think if we could get El Salvador or somebody. But to take them, I'd be very happy with it. But I have to see what the law says. So, Jake, do you believe Will Cain actually had no idea about Trump's [00:02:16] statements about potentially deporting American citizens to El Salvador? I actually do. I'm curious what you think, Anna. He looked like he genuinely didn't know. He's like, get a load of this guy with this nonsense. Talk about deporting American citizens. I mean, he said it so confidently, and he was so wrong that if he knew he was wrong. [00:02:36] Oof! That's. And especially because he said, oh, let's go find the clip. Ha ha ha. And then they did. Oops. Yeah, yeah. So I believe him too. And the reason why I believe him is based on my own personal experiences. Right. So prior to really going out of my way to make sure that I [00:02:53] diversified my media sources, I was in the dark about certain realities. Right? Like certain details to stories that we had been covering. I hadn't, I like, hesitate to bring this up because it's embarrassing, but I hadn't watched the Rittenhouse video that showed everything that happened that night. [00:03:14] And after I had watched it, and it was obviously presented during the trial, that informed my opinion of that situation a lot better. So I'm just trying to say that it's very easy to find yourself in a filter bubble because, look, as human beings, we're also more likely to seek out sources [00:03:34] that validate what we already believe. And these algorithms also don't help. So if you're in the media, if you're tasked with informing the public about any given topic, you really do need to go out of your way to make sure that you've diversified your sources and that you're considering all perspectives. [00:03:50] It doesn't mean you have to legitimize all perspectives, but it's important to understand the arguments made by all sides involved and really understand what the facts of any particular story happened to be. He really did seem genuinely shocked at what Congressman Frost [00:04:07] was mentioning there. So I'll believe him. I'll believe that, Will Cain didn't know that Trump said these things. But now that he does know that Trump says these things, is he going to be critical of Trump? Is he okay with Trump? You know, musing over the idea of, sending American citizens to foreign countries? [00:04:24] I don't know. We'll see. You know, we we do know, he isn't, he loves it so. And that's why look, I think it's I think you're always way too tough on yourself on the Rittenhouse, story. And, you know, you and I have debated that a couple of times. [00:04:40] But this is a guy, like, brazenly not knowing an enormously important story and making it seem like it's conspiratorial. Then he's got to come back and eat crow. Oh, yeah, he Trump did say that. So then does does he get upset about it? No he doesn't. So which one is it brother? [00:04:55] It was fantastical. And there's no way in the world Trump could have said that. And we're all hysterical for thinking that he said it or yeah, he said it and it's awesome. And we should. That's goddamn right we should take away American citizens rights. Which one is it, brother? Which one is it? [00:05:12] So no, the reality is, Will Cain pretends that he doesn't want it for Americans. But as long as Trump says it, he's a good boy, and he'll go and, you know, lick Trump's boots and then try to justify it. That's who apparently Will Cain is. So at some point Will Cain realized, oh, wow, Trump really did say this. [00:05:30] But, don't worry, he's not apologizing, for the way he handled that interview and the denialism he engaged in. Let's take a look at the next clip. After years of very fine people, among other hoaxes, I'm suspicious of any Democrat quoting President Trump in full context, and I make no apologies. [00:05:47] None on not being able to know or recall that specific clip, because it doesn't reinforce my fever dream. Handmaid's tale vision of America, where Lily, who reads the bulwark on the Upper West Side, is about to be deported right after Kilmer Garcia, President Donald Trump was clearly talking about obeying the law. [00:06:04] I'm doubtful the law would allow him to deport homegrown criminals, but it's a far cry again from The Handmaid's Tale vision of the next after Rego Garcia is, you. Know, that's exactly what it is. - That's exactly what it is. - Yeah. [00:06:21] Go ahead. So, look, I'm also concerned that people are becoming nervous wrecks because they think they're going to get, you know, in his, you know, version of the story, scooped up on the Upper West Side as they're walking along [00:06:36] and get put into a, you know, a gulag here in America, etc.. Guys, no, the reason why I don't want you to be a nervous wreck over that is one it doesn't help you at all, to be that worried and to be that scared, etc.. I don't want you scared. I want you animated, and I want you to try to stop things before they get worse. [00:06:55] And I want you to take good, productive action to to do that. And so and, and it's there's 12 different steps before we get to Trump saying that's it. There are no laws anymore. I'm not following the Supreme Court. And, and and and yes, I'm now setting up camps and I'm going to put [00:07:14] American citizens in them, whether they're in El Salvador, these camps are here in America, etc. There's 12 steps along the way. And so if you don't notice that he took six of them, well, then you're like, Will Cain and you're like. Whatever, whatever, whatever. I love Trump. And. [00:07:29] - I'm his dog. - Right. So it's not fever dreams those. He did take those steps. He is talking about running for a third term. He did. He he is saying we don't need due process. And he's saying we don't need due process for American citizens. So if you're saying that he's not going in that direction, [00:07:45] you're a goddamn liar like Will Cain. Okay. - Yeah. - And by the way, hold on. Let me finish real quick. But at the same time, guys, we've got to work super hard to make sure he doesn't take the next six steps. And panicking like he's already at the end of that process is not helpful to that cause. [00:08:02] So those are two different things. Sorry. - Go ahead. - Nothing. I just want to say it's totally fine to practice skepticism when a claim is made and you're not informed about whether or not that claim has any merit. But how about use a little bit of that skepticism on the other side [00:08:18] of the political aisle as well, meaning, in regard to what the Trump administration is claiming and what they're up to. You know, it's easy to be skeptical of the other side. It's much harder to self-reflect or reflect on your own political side, [00:08:35] especially when you're in the role of a media host or journalist. But we could really use a lot more of that skepticism when it comes to one's own side these days. Because holding your own side accountable can actually lead to your own side improving. [00:08:52] And so in this case, I would be, you know, surprised if most Republican voters would be in favor of the federal government having the ability to send American citizens to a foreign country with no due process. And so it's again, important to make sure your own side is following the rule of law [00:09:10] and valuing constitutional rights. And and, you know, fighting back when you see that they're engaging in bad behavior. Yeah. Last thing on this. So, will Cain make up your mind? Right. - So you saw that clip at the end there? - I make no apologies. Even though you were dead wrong. [00:09:26] The apology isn't. Hey, you. I want you to apologize for voting for Trump. No. The apology is. Hey, you didn't know what the hell was going on in the news on a massively important story where the president says, I'm going to take away due process from American citizens and send them to dungeons in El Salvador. [00:09:42] You didn't know that. Okay, so that's what the apology is for. But then at the end, he says something worse. He's like, well, Trump said he'd follow the law and I doubt the law would allow him to do this. Well, those two things are contradictory. So takes a different law that's violated and you can see how contradictory they are. If Trump said, well, I mean, I'll follow the law, but I'm thinking about murdering [00:09:59] people, so I'll see if I can murder people, but maybe I'll follow the law. I guess I'll follow the law. But but I'm really looking into murdering them. Will Cain would come out and go say. He said he wanted to follow the law. He said he wanted to follow the law. Okay. I don't think the law will let him murder people. It's still Trump's awesome. Trump is awesome. [00:10:17] What a great thing to say that you would take away due process for Americans. No it's not. It's a crappy thing to say. It's what authoritarian douchebags say. And there's stupid propagandists like Will Keane that come out there and do apologies for him. So which side are you on? Because now, look, we're we've been very consistent on this and I'm and [00:10:35] and I'm going to say that we were right about it because now we see that half of Trump's voters, or some percentage of Trump voters are breaking against him. And people like Joe Rogan are saying, yeah, due process is Western civilization and you do not get to take that away. [00:10:50] On the other hand, you have dogs like Will Cain who say, oh, I hate America. I hate our Constitution. And if Trump wants to shred him, I'll be the first SS soldier signing up to help him shred it. Admit it will. What the hell does that mean? Oh, he says he'll follow the law, but hey, the law. [00:11:06] You know, the law doesn't say that you can send Americans to a dungeon without due process. Are you going to speak out against that? No, you're not, because you're a stupid propagandist. So why don't you just be honest? For the first time in your life, every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. 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