We've got two great guests for you guys now, Angela Rye and Tiffany Cross. They're part of the Native Land Pod on iHeart podcast, along with Andrew Gillum, who ran for governor before. Tiffany. Angela. - Welcome you. - Hi, Jane. - Thanks for having us. - All right. Great to have you here. [00:00:15] All right, guys, I'm super interested in the podcast and what you guys are up to there. Really interested in your take on the election. We're going to get to that in a second. But I'm also interested because we all worked at mainstream media in different times. Right. Angela, you were on CNN and Tiffany and I were on MSNBC at different times. [00:00:33] So I'm also curious about your take on where mainstream media and cable news is these days. So, Angela, I'll start with you. How do you think that, the mainstream media. Let's start with cable news. How do you think cable news handled this election cycle? [00:00:48] What would you have them do differently? And obviously right now they're in some significant trouble with ratings. And why do you think that is? You know, Jake, I really want to say I want to defer completely to Tiffany here. This is, something that is talked about on our podcast quite a bit, [00:01:04] and I honestly, don't have any more energy to give towards trying to improve, cable news media, like, I just, I don't care, you know, to the extent that, they feel like they have a responsibility. Okay. I would love to see it. [00:01:20] I don't know what they could do differently because I don't expect anything different from cable news. I would hope that folks like all of us who at some point have been a part of, pundits and strategists on air, will continue to speak truth to power, and that's all I can really hope for. [00:01:35] But it's really hard to have expectations of folks who, have a bottom line. And their bottom line is met by ratings, and ratings determine what content they produce. And so I think that we have a very tall order before cable news, expecting them to speak truth to power when that does oftentimes conflict [00:01:54] with what their bottom line is. I defer the rest of this time to tip on this. Maybe she'll do the same for me on something else. All right, Tiffany, what do you think? Well, I just want to point out that Angela was actually on MSNBC as well at a different time. But, you know, this is something that makes my blood boil. [00:02:12] It's, you know, a career that I've spent 24 years trying to build. And so it was heartbreaking for me to watch the media completely abdicate their responsibility to inform the American electorate. I think a part of the challenge is, I always say, [00:02:28] a lack of diversity in the newsroom. When you look across the broadcast news spectrum, 6% of newsroom employees are black. And so if you disaggregate that data, even less are black women. And so when you look at who was covering a black woman who had come this close [00:02:44] to the Oval Office for the first time, it was a dearth of voices who understood the culture. One, two I think the media, for some odd reason, want to stay in the red and want to continue to lose viewers because they continue to censor a shrinking demographic, and that is [00:03:01] older conservative white voters. Yes, the majority of cable news viewers are between the ages of 62 and 65. They also happen to be white men. However, you have to realize those folks are not immortal. So if it doesn't make even this social sense, it has to make economic sense [00:03:16] that you might start to pay attention to more issues that are relevant to younger voters aspirational consumers, the rising majority of America, voters of color, black people, indigenous people, all other people of color, Latino people, AAPI community, the fastest growing demographic [00:03:32] in the country, as a matter of fact. And when newsrooms parade their diversity, you have to also ask, well, how many of these people are in decision making, positions. So if you have a newsroom full of diverse employees who are entry level, well, [00:03:47] that's not really making a difference when it comes to who gets to decide what is covered and how. And it was frustrating to watch the the newsrooms make a complete mockery of our democracy and a complete ass of themselves. [00:04:02] Yeah, so look, I know the business end of it. And so I know that they can't turn around. They're not going to be able to get younger viewers because younger viewers have already cut the cord or never had the cord. Yeah. So they're just going to double down and double down on the older voters and, [00:04:18] and viewers. And that's just the nature of that, of their business. Right. But you guys have done the logical thing, which is to go into other parts of media where there are younger viewers and diverse viewers and listeners, etc. And that's why you're doing Native Land Pod. So tell us a little bit about that, Angela. [00:04:35] What's the podcast about and how are you guys addressing these issues on On Your Own podcast? Yes, it has actually been one of the most emancipating and liberating things for me in my in my career with media, in part because we don't have folks [00:04:52] telling us what we're talking about. This topic has changed. We really hope that your voice could be more here. It's none of that. It is issues that are front and center to us. If Tiff or Andrew are feeling passionate about a topic, they can talk about that topic that day. There's nobody restricting them from doing that. [00:05:09] It's freeing because there are issues that are normally completely ignored by media on every level, and we get to talk about those things as well. And so the reason for it was we developed a platform called Reason Choice Media. [00:05:24] Leonard, folks know as Charlamagne tha God, Chris Morrow and I started Reason Choice Media and wanted to have a flagship show, and there was just nobody more that I would rather have done this show with than Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. There are people who have been absolutely influential in the way I see the world [00:05:43] and my politics and have helped to shape some of that, and I really wanted to be in conversation with people who are my friends for more than two decades. We are old, but we really wanted to have a space that we could call our own native land pod. The reason for that is because a pod is often deemed [00:06:00] as a as a safe, warm, cozy space. If you've ever watched the podcast, it isn't always warm and cozy, but one thing it is for sure is a safe space, and we wanted to extend that to our listeners and to our viewers. Native land is an homage to James Weldon Johnson, who, in the last verse [00:06:17] of the National Anthem says, true to our God, true to our native land, and knowing that we are a stolen people but have the ability, the spiritual, strength, the resilience to make home anywhere, we wanted to pay homage to that as well. [00:06:33] Our native land and the one that we've created here at home. So we say, welcome home, y'all. We mean that to everybody. And we hope that folks feel at home when they listen to our podcast. Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, Angela. Stay with you for a second. Because it goes along with the media theme here. Because. So. Charlemagne. [00:06:49] Look, I love the brother. I think he does amazing work. I agree with him on so many things. And that's why we get along so well. And mainstream media has, but has a love hate relationship with him, right? So they love him. They put him all over TV oftentimes, but then they come at him for different [00:07:05] things that he's done in his past. And you've defended him on some of those things. So I don't know. I feel like none of us are perfect. And is this idea that we that we all have to be perfect, otherwise we can't pass this mainstream media test? [00:07:22] I don't know, there's something about it that bothers me, and I like that that you stuck up for him, etc. But, you know, I don't know if that gets back into old wounds or anything, but what's your take on this idea that that everybody's past has to be immaculate, otherwise you can't go on media? [00:07:40] Well, I think the most important thing that you that you mentioned is a word that I think Tiff and I and Andrew have talked about on the podcast quite a bit as well, and it's perfection, the standard of perfection. I've dealt with it in therapy. I'm not done. And I'll say that what is most important is that we are striving. [00:07:58] You know, again, when I think about our people, we are a striving people. We are folks that are seeking to be perfected, seeking to be whole, seeking to be mature, seeking to grow. And hopefully we can be in relationship with folks that urge us to become our better selves, our highest selves. [00:08:14] And again, I think that is what's most important. I don't know what again, I don't I don't even feel comfortable answering what mainstream media is seeking, because who knows? But what I can say is, what's most important to me in friendships and relationships in my family are being next to folks who are trying to become [00:08:33] the best version of themselves, and to me, that is perfection. Nothing else works. I have been struggling with perfection all my life, so I'm not trying to figure that out now and do not profess to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination. So, I'll defer to Tim on the rest of this. [00:08:50] Okay. All right. So, Tiffany, you also wrote a book called Say It Louder Black Voters, White Narratives and Saving Our Democracy. So and we'll put a link to the podcast and the book down below in the description box. So, talk to me about what you think went wrong in this election [00:09:07] that got Trump elected. Well, I would kick it back to the media. I think there are going to be a lot of people for a long time who are contestants on Let's Play the Blame Game? And I'm certainly not, you know, absent that, I have a lot of thoughts on what went wrong. [00:09:23] But the thing I know best, more than I know campaigns and more than I know policy is the way newsrooms function. And I think I saw the news media struggle to put one of the most accomplished candidates we've ever had run for president of the United States [00:09:39] on equal footing with a half witted, slow witted person who is completely politically and socially inept, whose first job in government was as president of the United States. And that is just the facts. Kamala Harris did not have Vice President Harris. Excuse me, did not have five different children [00:09:56] by three different fathers running around. She was not as exciting to cover. She was a lot more articulate and less clumsy in interviews. And I just think that the the media just focus on a completely manufactured issue [00:10:12] about her racial identity. I mean, it just showed the disconnect that they had with the country. And even though I hear you, I think that, you know, a lot of people aren't getting their, their news from the media that they've tuned out. That's part of the problem, too, because that helps spread disinformation [00:10:28] and misinformation when when they were completely overlooked by reputable sources, as flawed as they were, they went for outlets that had that was completely deregulated, that was completely deconstructed, that had no kind of, filter on how information got to them or if that information was accurate or not. [00:10:44] So I take it back to the Fifth Estate. I think had the news media been more honest, and been more accurate and actually informing voters instead of, you know, flooding the airwaves with opinion panels from people who are not experts [00:11:00] on a lot of the subject matters they were speaking on, I think it would have made a huge difference, in voters and how informed they were when they went to the ballot box. So, Tiffany, I hear you on on that. And so there's so much to talk about when it comes to why did [00:11:17] the election go the way that it did? And I think that there's a multitude of factors, and you can't just boil it down to one simple thing, and it's not binary, but let me bounce a couple other factors by you and see what you think. So my sense of it is that the Democratic Party [00:11:33] has gotten what I call two establishment. So Kamala Harris bragging about the 90 corporate CEOs that that supported her. I get why she did it, but at the same time, I think that sends the wrong message. Whereas when she first started the campaign, she was talking [00:11:48] about economically populist positions that are very popular, making sure that the house of the prices of housing doesn't get out of control, that that she stops corporations from price gouging. And when she was doing that, she was doing a great job, and she got all [00:12:03] the way up to seven point lead nationally. And that could have survived even the polls being wrong and still won the election. But but she went in a different direction and she went, what do I consider to be more pro-establishment? And that was also Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney, etc.. [00:12:20] And those guys are not popular. So did you have a different point of view on that, or do you think that that might have been an issue as well? I absolutely think that was an issue. And I you know, I appreciate you bringing it up because I hope it's a lesson [00:12:36] for the Democratic Party. The people you're going after left you a long time ago. Even when you look at the more reliable. Because we can't rely on exit polls, as we know, but the more reliable voter data. 8 in 10 of Donald Trump's voters were white. [00:12:54] He made slight gains, among mostly white people. Vice President Harris made very few. The white voting electorate look pretty much the same exact way it did in 2020. When you look at Vice President Harris, 8 in 10 out of black people supported her. [00:13:13] So it does push the point that I wonder, had she led with bold policy, instead of trying to appeal to people who were never even open to voting for her, what that may have done for her chances, and I hope that sends a message not just [00:13:29] to candidates, but to consultants, to the infrastructure of the party as well, because more and more people are not necessarily crossing party lines, but more and more people are completely sitting the process out because they don't feel seen, they don't feel heard and they don't feel spoken to. [00:13:46] I have to tell you, I think this is one of the subjects that we talk about a lot on native land. So I appreciate Angela's perspective on this, and I really want her to weigh in on her thoughts, because you're getting a preview of what's going to be discussed on our next podcast. I can tell you. I like the way you guys are tag teaming back and forth. [00:14:02] Okay. Tag. You're it. Angela. Tell us about, you know, how you thought she should have reached out more in a, in a populist way to to a broader section of Americans? You know, there's been so many postmortem deep dives. And one of the things that I'm really working on right now [00:14:20] is figuring out where I got this wrong. In terms of the election, I'm going to be honest with you in saying I was worried for several weeks. And my worry increased when I saw the ways in which the Cheneys [00:14:36] and the other Republicans were being talked about as supporting the ticket, not because I think it's bad to have bipartisan support, but because in an era where the party was so and let's be very clear about the fact that the party [00:14:52] has been fractured for decades. Right. But when you talk about a country that's fractured and you see how close the election is in polling, poll after poll is saying that it's neck and neck. And when we look at the popular vote as it is today, it really was neck and neck. [00:15:10] It just doesn't work out with an electoral college. That should probably be abolished. I'll say absolutely be abolished. And so what I, what I really want to wrestle with is where we're missing each other. Right? We talked about on the podcast The Rainbow Coalition. [00:15:25] Where, where has the Rainbow Rainbow Coalition decided that it was safer to go it alone rather than going together. And even if that means not going it alone, like, oh, I'm going to go and vote for Donald Trump, but go it alone, like, oh, I think I'm better off if I just stay at home and figure out [00:15:41] how I'm going to pay my own bills. I don't think Kamala Harris despite, you know, trying to grow the big tent, within the party, I don't think that she ever left affordable housing. I don't think she ever left price gouging. But gouging. I don't think she ever left talking to union folks and women about their rights [00:16:00] and black folks about what's needed. Even developing an agenda centering around black men or making, access to capital a focal point of her campaign. I don't think that she ever left that. I just think that in that final stretch, they decided that it was safer [00:16:18] to go after Republicans who were never coming than to go and get the folks who may agree with her, but just don't feel energized to go out. And I want to understand why I, I think there's a lot of soul searching to be done on a micro, individual level and a macro level, [00:16:34] because there's a lot that we don't get sticking within our own group chats and our own echo chambers on social media. And the folks who like our posts or will repost it. What happens when we go beyond those walls? And I think that's really where we need to do the work, and that's what I'm [00:16:50] most interested in, frankly, at this time, in part because I'm fascinated about why we don't have it right yet. Right. Angela, let me stay with that and with you on that. So these mythical Republicans in the suburbs that they're going to get. Right. So Chuck Schumer talked about how it's okay if we lose some progressive voters [00:17:07] because we'll get all those Republicans in the suburbs. Well, after an enormous amount of effort, time and money, Hillary Clinton only got 7% of Republicans to vote for her, and then Joe Biden only got 6%, and then Kamala Harris only got 5%. So number one, the number is microscopic. Number two, it keeps dwindling. [00:17:27] So that that is clearly just empirically not the correct strategy. Right. And my guess as to why they do it is because unfortunately for any of these top level politicians, they are talking to donors almost 24 over seven, and almost all the donors [00:17:43] are either conservative Democrats or Republicans in the suburbs. And so since the donor class is so heavy in that category, which actually doesn't have a lot of voters in it, they get a wrong sense of which direction to go. That's my sense of it. [00:17:59] But I wanted to ask you a little bit deeper than that. Right. Because in the in the African American community, there has been a lot of talk throughout the last 20 or 30 years of, oh, the Clintons were good to us. So we're going to vote Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden is good to us. [00:18:17] Joe Biden was Barack Obama's vice president, etc. We're going to vote for Joe Biden. Kamala Harris, of course, is African American, etc.. So we're going with the established, what I would call the establishment candidates, and that that's how black people should vote. I'm now seeing finally and I'm thrilled about this. [00:18:36] A movement, including by Charlemagne and Angela is on The Breakfast Club often, for those of you who and you should check that out. Of people saying, hey, maybe someone like Nina Turner is the better direction to go. Maybe a progressive who cares about, the average person, etc. [00:18:56] Is the better direction to go than a more establishment candidate that keeps telling us that they're going to deliver, but then doesn't really so but I you know, hey, it's everybody's got different opinions and and so I don't know which one you guys have. That's why I wanted to ask Angela what do you think about that. [00:19:12] You said you guys. So again I'm gonna make sure that it's clear we don't even always agree on the podcast. So, of course, what she says about this, too, she goes, surprise me, I'm sure. I want to just I want to and I don't want to correct you, but I just want to add to what you said. The donor class is one thing, but the consultant class is another, and [00:19:29] both of those that double headed monster really needs to be not only examined, but destroyed in a lot of ways. And I think that it's not just that, the donors think that they should be more moderate and or Republican. I also think that in a lot of ways, donors need to remember [00:19:47] that their role is to fund campaigns. So long as money is in politics, it's not to be strategists, it's not to be strategists. So why you should why you should have an opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean that you have the experience. In building a ground game, it doesn't mean that you understand polling or mail or [00:20:03] canvasing or even text or phone banking. It doesn't mean that you know how to build a coalition. It means that whatever career path you chose, where you ended up being successful and wanting to provide your resources to campaign politics, that's what you've done. And so that's your lane. [00:20:19] And now, who are the team members who we need to rely upon to ensure the rest of the campaign is successful. So the other part of this is the white consultant class. There are a number of people in the white consultant class who have failed up. If you ran somebody's campaign in the ground, spent all the money, [00:20:37] didn't get a return on no return on investment whatsoever, why are you at the top of another campaign? That's a question that we need to be asking now, in terms of the type of candidate who should be running, I think the people still must decide the candidate who should be running. [00:20:52] I do want to defend Kamala Harris a little bit. This is someone who has become a big sister to me. She is family, she is a friend, and I don't think that she's always been deemed an establishment candidate. I want to make sure that we're clear about the fact that we fought for Kamala Harris [00:21:11] to get on the ticket in 2020. I want to be very clear about that. That wasn't something that was handed to her because she was a part of the establishment class. They were mad that Kamala Harris was running in the primary in 2020. They didn't want Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris was a Da who wasn't expected to win her race. [00:21:30] She was an attorney general who wasn't expected to win her race. She was a Senate candidate. She earned every single office that she got. And I want to be clear about the fact that she said, in this race to black folks, to Latino folks, to indigenous folks, to white folks, that she didn't expect their vote. [00:21:46] She planned to earn their vote. And if we're super, super clear, since we talked about perfection today, I'm going to say that she ran a damn near perfect campaign. The problem wasn't with the candidate. The problem was with the consulting class, the donor class, and some of those staff [00:22:01] that probably don't need to see the inside of another campaign headquarters. Tiff, I have filibustered you. I want to hear what you got to say about this. No, no. And, Tiffany, before you go. Look, we we all disagree. We disagree in different parts, right? Because we're all different human beings, right? [00:22:16] So I do think Kamala Harris was more establishment, but that's a giant long conversation. Maybe we could have it on your podcast. - I want to. - Hear as compared to who? Compared to who? No. So as compared to any populist candidate, Bernie Sanders type of person, [00:22:33] that is, that wasn't running. No, no, no, I know, I know. Well, no one ran against her, right. So I would have done it differently. I would have hoped that Biden would have dropped out of the race earlier. I would have hoped that we had a real primary. And as I said, there's a good chance Kamala Harris would have won that primary. [00:22:51] Right. But then we would have all been like, yes, this is the person we all voted for and are energized by and showed strength in winning. ET cetera. ET cetera. So I hear you. And there's other disagreements, too. So. But Tiffany, hit me with what you got, whether you agree or disagree. [00:23:06] Right. On on how you view it, whether it's, you know, progressive populist establishment. And by the way, people use those words in different ways. So. Yeah, that's true. And there's confusion around that too. So what are your what's your take on that? I you know, I again I think there's going to be a lot of blame game here. [00:23:26] But I'm going to say to both you guys, I think that she could have run an absolutely flawless, perfect campaign and still lost the election, as evidenced by how we see the American body politic showing up to the ballot box [00:23:45] each and every time I think there is. What we have to confront in this country is that there are just a significant amount of people who were not going to feel comfortable with a candidate like her leading the country. When I say like her, I mean there are people [00:24:01] who are not going to feel comfortable with a woman leading this country. There are people who are not going to feel comfortable with a black woman leading this country. You know, we can talk about establishment populism. You know, to me, I think. When we look at the landscape here, it just wasn't anything new. [00:24:23] You know, even when we look at the people who stayed home, the people who did not feel spoken to, the people who were not motivated. You know, I think we have to understand for a lot of people, President Obama was the floor and not the ceiling. And sometimes you only get a candidate like that once in a lifetime. [00:24:40] You know, John F Kennedy Jr. Even Ronald Reagan on the other side of the aisle, you know, arguably terrible president. But there was the reason he was called the Great Communicator. There was the reason he won 49 states in the election. He spoke to a significant electorate in this country, [00:24:57] a mostly white electorate in this country. So, I don't know, I just I guess I can't really parse out what could have would have, should have happened. Because quite frankly, I'm too busy confronting the fact that no matter what we do in this country, there seems to be limits to our success. [00:25:16] And then I feel shame for thinking that because I am the descendant of people who never let oppressive tactics suppress their imagination. And I don't want to allow that this time, but I need a little time for grief, to be honest with you. To, to to think about the kind of country, that not only do we live in, [00:25:35] but we consistently try to save. Can I tell you this, too? I just really quick because you brought up Bernie. Who has who is a populist, has been a populist candidate and has, demonstrated that he's not afraid to come up with bold ideas. [00:25:53] But I got to tell you, Bernie Sanders, I don't know of a black person. I talked to some black folks, where he's from in Vermont, who he's ever mentored. When he was in the House of Representatives, he never voted [00:26:08] with the Congressional Black Caucus on their alternative budget that they introduce every year, which is and I'm sure if you look at what their budget priorities are, nine times out of ten, I bet you you'd agree with them. You know, when we talk about qualifications, [00:26:23] Bernie Sanders was new, a new senator. You know, in 2007 when he was sworn in. I'm talking about his House of Representatives record. And it's surprising to me, because if we're honest, if Kamala Harris or Barack Obama, for that matter, ran a year after a couple of years after they were they were sworn into the Senate [00:26:42] with with no other prior experience. That would have been a huge story. So I think we got to really talk about that and examine some of that. And I love progressives. I consider myself a progressive. What I don't love are liberals because I've seen a lot of them. [00:26:58] I'm from Seattle, Washington. I've seen a lot of them be real racist. So when I tell you we got some reconstruction work to do, we really do, because racism is pervasive and it exists on a bipartisan and a nonpartisan level. And so just because you're saying something that sounds good [00:27:14] doesn't mean that you have mastered, dismantling racism or racist ideology within your campaign structure or within your office or within your politics in your state. And that's something I think we got to deal with as well. Yeah. We don't have the benefit of putting class before race. [00:27:32] Yeah. No, it's both right. Yeah. Okay. Normally I love ending on agreement, but we're going to end on disagreement. So here's why. Guys. - Look, and but it'll. - But at least it's civil. Yeah, 100%. [00:27:47] And and and I hope it's at least optimistic. So look. So I come from a muslim background, right? I'm atheist now, but my family's Muslim. I grew up muslim. And so, you could say that I don't have the, the, the, you know, the privilege of being able to put class above of that because, you know, [00:28:05] we're among the most endangered and and Donald Trump and some of his goons have said that they would, especially if we criticize Israel, which I certainly do. They would arrest Denaturalize and I'm a naturalized citizen, right? And deport. So I'm at the very, very front of the line, [00:28:21] along with our trans brothers and sisters. Okay. At the same time, what I'm saying is class is the way to win elections because it brings more people into the tent. So. So if I, if I would never tell Kamala Harris or a Democrat, hey, emphasize Muslim issues. [00:28:37] No. Don't I look like I want you to protect us and I don't like I don't want you to avoid it. And I want you to fight for our rights. Okay, but let's put class first because it's broader and it helps to win more. So. And, Tiffany, I hear you on all the frustrations. [00:28:56] We were going to do a story on The Young Turks today. We did about the Teamsters. And a part we didn't get to was unfortunately, a lot of folks voted for Donald Trump. Yes. Based on some of the things that you guys are talking about, right? And you know, when you ask them, they've got real economic issues that they care about. [00:29:11] But some of them said, look, I'm not going to vote for a woman, right? And that was a common thing that came up, unfortunately. And the African-American issue came up less. But the woman issue came up more in that context. Right. But at the same time, she was winning. [00:29:27] She was up seven points, and she had erased an eight point deficit that Biden had. That was a gigantic, miraculous, awesome 15 point swing that she had done when she was focusing on economic issues. Right. And that were populists and more appeal to just the great swath of Americans [00:29:45] who are so frustrated with the price of groceries and housing, etc.. And so and I know, look, Barack Obama, after he won and his after his inauguration, he was at an 83% approval rating, which is now seems stunning. [00:30:01] That's like double trump. Right. And so and he and yes, they mentioned his name was Barack Hussein Obama. And as a guy who grew up muslim, here's a country that said, yeah, I'm okay with it. 83% of them said, yeah, I'm okay with it. [00:30:16] As long as he gets us out of this economic mess we're in in 2008. Right. And and he did partly so largely so you see what I'm saying. Tiffany on that. That's actually a note for optimism that we can get past these issues if we [00:30:32] find out what unites us and focus on that. - Does that make sense? - It makes sense. I disagree with several points, but that's a conversation for another day. But yes, I at least understand the point that you're trying to make for sure. Yeah. All right, let's keep it going. So another time we'll get to those disagreements, we'll hash those out [00:30:51] and we'll have Andrew on the show here. Everybody check out Native Land Pod. So and check out Angela on The Breakfast Club as well. And, and and check out Tiffany's book. Say it louder. Black voters, white narratives and saving our democracy. All links are down below. [00:31:06] Angela and Tiffany, thanks so much for joining us. - We really appreciate. - It. Thank you. - Thanks for having. - Us. We appreciate. You. Look, I know the system feels broken and it's hard to engage with the news right now, but it's not the time to tune out. That's just letting the system go unchecked and unchallenged. [00:31:21] We need to know what Trump and the Republican Party are up to, and we need Democrats to understand how they even got here in the first place. That's why I'm working with Ground News. 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