With urgent need for more aid to reach the civilians of Gaza, and responding to calls from the US and much of the international community for humanitarian pauses in fighting. Israel announced Thursday it will implement four hour humanitarian pauses daily in the northern Gaza Strip. [00:00:17] The Israel Defense Forces said there will be, quote, tactical local pauses for humanitarian aid for Gazan civilians. Here's a clip. The white House says Israel will establish four hour humanitarian pauses each day in Gaza so more people can escape the fighting, but not a full cease fire. [00:00:36] Tens of thousands of Palestinians have fled to the southern part of Gaza in recent days, as Israel carries out its ground and air offensive. Raising hopes of a hostage breakthrough. Two officials with knowledge of the visit tell NBC news that both the CIA director [00:00:53] and the director of Israel's intelligence agency, Mossad, were in Qatar today to work through details of a potential hostage release. Mr. president. This morning, Israel's president told NBC's RAF Sanchez there's no substantial offer from Hamas to release hostages, even while Israel says [00:01:12] it will allow more aid into Gaza. We agreed also on major upgrade, upgrade of the humanitarian aid to Gaza. And according to US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby, some more detail. Kirby announced to reporters that the four hour humanitarian pauses [00:01:30] will be implemented in northern Gaza beginning Thursday yesterday. The Israelis have informed the US there will be no military operations in those areas for the duration of the pauses, and the timing of them will be announced three hours before the pause begins each day, Kirby said. An Israeli official also confirmed the four hour daily pauses, [00:01:47] saying the reprieves are meant to allow people to move to the south of Gaza and obtain food and medicine, which of course is very much needed over there right now. Kirby would not speak to the details in terms of physical parameters of the pauses, or how many days there would be positive, [00:02:02] but this also comes with the addition of a second humanitarian corridor, this time along the sea, to allow for the safe passage of many more civilians. That said, Israel has made clear there will be no full cease fire at this time. Quote the fighting continues and there will be no cease fire [00:02:18] without the release of our hostages. Israel is allowing safe passage through humanitarian corridors from the northern Gaza Strip to the south, which 50,000 Gazans utilized. Just yesterday. We once again call on the civilian population of Gaza to evacuate to the south. That's a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office. [00:02:38] President Biden also chiming in, confirming there will not be a full cease fire. Here's the clip. What are the chances of the Gaza cease fire? There's a lot more detail, including the tie in of Iran [00:02:53] and an increase of hostilities there. But let's first take a break to discuss some of what we just talked about. Okay. So there's three measures of humanitarian projects there. So let me distinguish between them because it's really important. Humanitarian corridor. [00:03:08] Great. Fantastic. That's what we want. That's a real development. Please don't bomb it okay. Because Israel said, hey, move out of the north. Go to the south, you'll be safe there. And then they bombed the south. So as long as they're not bombing the humanitarian corridor. Great. All right. That's terrific. [00:03:24] Second thing, humanitarian pause. I'm split on this. On the one hand, it's baby steps towards maybe one day, a ceasefire. So there's an argument to be made that you take any progress over? No progress. Right. On the other hand, four hour humanitarian pause is a lunch break. [00:03:43] Like, they got to stop at some point to eat dinner, whatever you're, you know, reload. It's not it's not real. I mean, that's not a it's a tiny, tiny, tiny thing, right. Maybe you could use a four. And people say, hey, like, you can use the four hours to get aid to people [00:04:01] who the civilians who were harmed. ET cetera. In the area. Okay, that makes it a little bit more real. Okay, so do with that as you want. Right? As if people are saying, like, good. Mission accomplished, then I don't agree with that at all. That's preposterous. Right. [00:04:16] But if you're saying it's completely useless, that's probably too much, right? There's some use to it. It's an incrementally okay. And then but if you notice the offer for the exchange of hostages, we all want the hostages back. Right? So sometimes people say, well, you know, why don't you yell at Hamas? [00:04:32] Okay, here I am officially yelling at Hamas. God damn it. Give the hostages back. Okay? That's not going to work. So do we. Why wouldn't we all want the hostages back? Right? So if you. They want an exchange for Palestinian prisoners that Israel has. [00:04:48] Now, I hate hostage exchanges. I'm not sure that the US should have ever done any. Israel should have ever done any. But there is a very long history and precedent of prisoner exchanges between the Israelis and the Palestinians. So in this case, they're saying, no, we're not going to do that. Well, we'll see if that's true or not. [00:05:04] But at least publicly, they're saying that instead we're going to exchange the hostages for some humanitarian aid. That's not a realistic offer. That's they're never going to take that. So. Okay. So you take a humanitarian aid for what. A couple of hours a couple of days. And then you go back to the bombings. [00:05:22] And what leverage did the other side get from that? I don't want Hamas to have any leverage. I want them to give the hostages back. But we have to be realistic about how to actually execute that. If you're offering, oh, yeah, let's take a lunch break and you give me all the hostages back, you're not going to get them back. So be realistic. [00:05:39] So. But to be fair, I don't know what's happening behind the scenes. None of us do. And maybe they're having a real exchange about, you know, realistic terms, but the ones that are being put out there now are not at all realistic. One last thing, Joe Biden. They're pretty callous. So so I get that he doesn't want a ceasefire. [00:05:56] Totally, utterly disagree with him. I don't think Israel should drop a single more bomb on Gaza or the West Bank or any of the occupied territories, but they should just give up. No. So we'll talk about that in a second. But on the other hand, even if you don't want a cease fire going, no. [00:06:16] No chance. Ha ha. Like that's not helpful. And by the way, two thirds of Americans want a cease fire. So it's spitting in our face a little bit. Like what? What do you think? You live in a democracy. Our leaders are never going to give you what you want. Okay, Mark. It was definitely impolitic to be polite for Biden to respond that way. [00:06:33] I mean, he could have, especially someone like Biden could have been more equivocal or vague or something. It was. I thought it was an interesting response. From that standpoint, I will take the incremental gain that's associated with the four hours, I think. [00:06:49] And, you know, on a lot of things, we have to begin to take incremental progress and increment after increment. You have real progress. Please don't misunderstand me. Much of what Jenk said may be true when it comes to what you can really get done [00:07:06] in a four hour daily break, but four hours isn't one hour. Four hours is something. So again, not to obsess on it, but I also wouldn't put it down completely. You wanted some kind of concession on the part of the Israelis. They've they've offered that Jenks notion of trading hostages is a fascinating one. [00:07:25] Intriguing one. I don't know that it goes anywhere, really, but but it might. And sadly, you know, those who control this negotiation are probably in Qatar. I mean, it seems as though the Qataris are the ones who are behind the scenes [00:07:41] funneling a lot of money and negotiations again, backtrack negotiations through this entire process. So I don't I don't understand what jank you're calling for then, because the world was called, some people are calling for a cease fire, which also Israel is not going to do. [00:07:58] Just like you easily say, Hamas isn't going to take that. Israel is not going to take that. They've just suffered the worst attack in their history. - And so they are going to. - Try to attack eight times over. - So but it's. - Not about payback. It's about an objective. It's not. It's about an objective in the war. [00:08:13] What's the objective? The objective is to get rid of Hamas, the terrorists. Possible? Impossible. So then they just give up. So then Israel, just as. A matter of giving up. But like it's an absurd goal. Like, is Hamas going to raise their hand one day and go, okay, we give up? Really? How did we get rid of the Nazis? - How did we defeat the Nazis? - Because those were a different time, Ben. [00:08:30] So now we can no longer defeat evil forces. We couldn't defeat the Taliban. We couldn't defeat anybody in Iraq. We couldn't defeat the Sunni insurgency. We couldn't defeat the Vietnamese. Because in the old days, you defeated people by murdering everyone in their in their homes. So. So people who say like, hey, how did we beat the Nazis? [00:08:47] Yeah, we firebombed Dresden and killed 70% of the civilians. That includes 70% of the babies, the grandmothers, etcetera. And so in those days, you fought and you killed everyone until they were tired of dying. I don't want to go back to those days. Yeah, but those days, sadly, very sadly, are not over. [00:09:04] That is how war works. You're just saying you're against war. And I agree, I'm against war as well. But that's how war works. Otherwise, what you're saying is that those are the old days. The new days are terrorists can do whatever they like. And then just with impunity, there'll be some payback for a few weeks, and then you get to stay in power. [00:09:21] No. So, first of all, if war works by us murdering their innocent civilians, I don't want any piece of it. Second of all, it doesn't mean that you can't do anything against the terrorists. We can actually do special forces. We did against ISIS, we did against al Qaeda. [00:09:36] And by the way, all the bombing in Iraq killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, and it did not eradicate the Sunni insurgency or ISIS. When we use special forces. And we got on the ground and we actually killed the bad guys instead of doing indiscriminate bombings, that actually did work, we did get Osama bin laden. [00:09:54] We did get the leader of ISIS and that one, too. So if Israel goes in and and right now, by the way, the ground troops, as I said from day one, have been more effective and a lot of people were against the ground troops. But I said, look, special forces is necessary. That's how you fight back against people who are trying to kill you. [00:10:11] But. If you say, hey, I'm just going to like the reason why I say not one more bomb is because bombing doesn't work, and bombing Iraq created ISIS. It didn't end ISIS, it created ISIS. So the more we bomb the Palestinians, the bigger Hamas is going to get. [00:10:27] In this day and age, the Vietcong didn't raise their hand and say, we give up, that neither did none of these groups say we give up. And Hamas is never, ever, ever going to say we give up. So if that's the standard, that means we're just going to keep butchering Palestinian civilians. [00:10:43] But by that exact standard, you're you're acting as though the bombing was just purely as you seem to think it is for revenge or retribution. They were bombing these buildings. And while again, I'll say it every time the innocent loss of life has been horrific, it was not for no reason and it was not indiscriminately. [00:11:00] It was to get rid of strongholds, buildings that they knew had Hamas strongholds in them, so that when they go in with the ground troops that you yourself were suggesting were a better idea and are a better idea, that they aren't a complete suicide mission for the Israeli troops. [00:11:17] Also, in the immediate aftermath of October 7th, you said, of course Israel has to respond and is going to bomb it. Just you hope that it's not a hugely disproportional number. You said, I hope it's not 10 to 1 or 100 to 1. The numbers have been horrible. They've been 5 to 1 or 6 to 1. That's not good. But it's because we're trying to take out a terrorist force [00:11:33] that also is a government. And so I do not buy the argument that there is ever going to be a solution where you just say, Hamas gets to win. And so I think a much smarter way to approach trying to get what you want. To win, Ben, they don't get to win. So look at the end of the day. [00:11:49] So look two last things and then you got more of the story. But the smarter part what I'm saying is smarter part. The way to do that is to not demonize people that are responding from this horrible terror attack, but instead say, great, thank you for a four hour every single day during war, humanitarian pause, and an extra humanitarian corridor [00:12:07] actually turn the rhetoric toward something that is more inclusive and more positive and say we are moving towards the right direction, not immediately on day one saying that's not real. Maybe it's a tiny bit real, but it's not real. No, it's a major, significant change in the conditions on the ground. It's the it's Israel going against what it believes its objectives need to be, [00:12:25] to listen to the world community, to give opportunities for aid to come in. That's the big source of outcry from all of the groups saying civilians are being killed, so let the civilians out. So they're doing that extra humanitarian cordoning anybody out. Gaza is a prison. - You can't leave Gaza. - Egypt will not open their border. [00:12:41] That's ridiculous. If Egypt opens the borders and the Palestinians go to Egypt, Israel is going to close the border and just take Gaza. No way. That's crazy. - No way, no how up to. - Egypt to keep that border open or not. But certainly they're not going to open the border into their own country. No, Israel and Egypt have an alliance. [00:12:57] And that's why Ben, look, so we have massive disagreements. So when at one point they had about 8000 civilians killed and 13 Hamas members killed, now they weren't trying to bomb Hamas. They were doing indiscriminate bombing. 15 Hamas. - Members discriminating. - You're getting that number. [00:13:14] I got it from a news report. We reported on it. Hamas does not distinguish in their numbers between Hamas soldiers and civilians. You have no idea how many Hamas soldiers were killed in that. Netanyahu at one point, and he's a grotesque liar, said in an ABC report. [00:13:31] Well, 10,000 were killed, but, you know, a thousand of those could have been Hamas or could have been, could have been. And if that's true, but you take Netanyahu's numbers. That's still awful. You if I if you said to me that I've said this 100 times, hey, that guy killed your family members, there's no way that I don't want to kill that guy. [00:13:48] I will be filled with rage. And you say there's nine civilians around him and aunt and uncle and grandma a baby. ET cetera. Would I bomb them and kill those nine civilians? Because to get the bad guy. Never. Never. Because it is deeply immoral. I'm not going to do the same thing a terrorist would do. [00:14:05] That's insanity. And Israel is saying, yeah, I don't care. I don't care about the ratio. I drop the bombs, I drop the bombs, the buildings collapsed, the babies heads are crushed, but they defend. - That is a that's not. - Defense. Offense, but they are not saying that they are taking far more measures [00:14:20] than any country that I know of to make sure the civilians leave the area. They take the least amount of measures. They make phone calls directly. They drop out of the sky. They make multiple statements on social media and on television. They pause media. They said 24 hours to escape. U.N. said it's impossible to escape that one. [00:14:36] So they escape to the south. It's an open air prison to the south. And then Egypt, which they also bombed. They like they bombed it a little bit to get rid of also Hamas targets. It's not the main area that the main bombing is happening. And so that is the reality of war. [00:14:51] You're still not ever suggesting concretely how you suggest that Israel lives in peace and possibly. Can I answer, please? It's so easy. Yeah. Okay. Special forces to take out the Hamas guys who attacked. No problem. I've said it from day one. Try to release the hostages, find due negotiation, do a power. [00:15:10] Do all the things that you do then. - This is super. - Important. And the God goddamn occupation. Isn't an occupation in Gaza. I'll say it till the day. Don't be insane. The security don't be insane. And blockade of supplies. [00:15:25] There is not an occupation. They voluntarily ended it in 2005 and removed forcibly their own Israeli citizens. Hey, how are you going to ask people to end an occupation that ended in 2005? And at least let's use words accurately, because I've seen too many times [00:15:40] on this network people saying genocide when it is not one, people saying occupation when it is not one. There is an occupation in the West Bank. I admit it because that's the definition and the words. But when the occupation ends, you say end the occupation. What are you asking for them to end it again? Should they go back in and then end it again? [00:15:56] - Is that the request, Ben? - Okay. If I come to your house and say, look, I'm not occupying your house, but I can cut the water and power any time, and I could starve you and I could make sure you don't even get any water. And if you disagree with me on anything, I could drop a bomb on your head. But I'm not. Occupation. It's called a block. I'm not. [00:16:11] Occupied. - Called a blockade. - It's murder. You any time. It's not. - But I'm not occupying. - It's not the word. It's called a blockade. Let's call it a prison. So Israel should stop imprisoning Palestinians in Gaza. And you know, the big difference, though, is that when you have prisons, the the, the people that run the prisons don't offer freedom to all of the people [00:16:28] six different times, and they reject it when they get 85 to 97% of their requests. I've seen you shake off in interviews your head about saying they've been offered peace. You go like this. You go, no, no, no. But they have been offered peace many times. So shouldn't they accept that? What is your plan? Why aren't you telling Hamas right now? Release the goddamn hostages. Accept peace. [00:16:46] Make a peace agreement. Put on paper. Put on. Put your where, your money, where your mouth is and offer a solution. Don't just keep demonizing Israel and not offering a way to solve the goddamn problem, because that goes on forever. So two things about that, Ben. One number one, mission accomplished. [00:17:02] Hamas, do a cease fire, never attack Israel and recognize their right to exist, release the hostages. Obviously. Obviously. And by the way, how are they going to do that? No. Hold on. I'll make it even more like concrete Hamas. [00:17:19] Stop being goddamn idiots. You're destroying the Palestinian cause as well as being immoral when you kill those innocent Israeli civilians. Now, ten times as many Palestinians have been killed. Are you happy? Was that mission accomplished? It is profoundly stupid. And it's easy for Hamas leaders to do that as they sit comfortably in Qatar and they [00:17:36] condemn their own civilians to death. Ben, being against the terrorists is obvious, is obvious. - Okay, but but having a. - Plan to defeat them is much. Harder. And that's the. Ben. You have to stop imprisoning them. What? Look, Ben, if people come over, let's say they take name any place, they take [00:17:55] new Jersey, they take Texas, and they say, okay, now you're in an open air prison and none of you have any goddamn rights, and we get to put our boot on your neck, and now you're you're our servants. You're subhuman. Now, you sit there, Texas, and take it. And if any of you ever fight back, you're all goddamn terrorists in Texas. [00:18:12] What do you think Texas would do? Texas would blow up those Texas citizens would blow up every goddamn occupier. And you know it. They would murder every occupier and you know it. How much patience can the Palestinians have? They're sitting there in the West Bank doing nothing. They've been perfectly peaceful. And what did they get for the peace, Ben? [00:18:30] What did they get for the peace holding that was occupation. - Just 56 years of occupation. - They've been offered peace six times. So when you keep somebody in a prison, as you say, what do you mean, my ass? They have not been. Yes. They explain, I will explain, I will. Explain seven 4867 2000, 2008 they weren't offered their own state [00:18:49] and they said, no, no, no, no, no, no. So yes, if murderers and terrorists are going to keep killing you and you keep saying, here, I'm giving you, I'm giving you what you want, I'm giving you most of what you want. And you keep saying, no, no, no, no, no. - Nobody on earth, yourself included. - I would also. [00:19:05] Allow themselves to keep being killed by it. Okay, so number one, 1937. At that point, Israel doesn't even exist. A bunch of people come over to Palestine and go, now, you guys, this is your land. But we're planning to take half of it. So why don't you just give us half and we'll move out of your fricking houses? We own that land now. Oh, you didn't take it. [00:19:22] Oh, what a bunch of bad guys. I was going to take your goddamn land, and I was going to make you march and then maybe die. Oh, you didn't take what a generous offer that I gave you, 1948. I'm going to take half of your land. Give me your land. You can stay. You get the hell out of here. I'm more important than you. [00:19:37] You don't own your land anymore. Well, you didn't take it. Why didn't you take it? What a lovely deal I gave you where I only steal half your land. Okay, now you move to later rounds. Then it gets more complicated because then they come back in and they go. I'll give you 87% of your house back. But I had 100% of my house. [00:19:52] And by the way, you're not even giving me the 50% you already took. You're giving me 87% of the other 50%. There's no solution. Okay, hold on, hold on. But at the same time, do I wish 87%, 83, 97, whatever the goddamn number was that both sides took it. Yes. I wish they both took it. [00:20:08] And I wish Israel made a better offer. And I wish the Palestinians. - A bad offer. - So that's the solution then? - Yes. - Exactly. But at this point, both Obama and Trump have said Netanyahu doesn't want peace. He hasn't offered peace. He doesn't want peace. [00:20:24] He wants permanent occupation. So for God's sake, fire Netanyahu. If it's a democracy, fire him. Because if you don't fire him, you're saying, yeah, I like what he's doing. We're going to occupy these poor people forever. And West Bank. There's no violence except by the settlers on that. I totally agree. [00:20:39] But there's that occupy, I agree, but they're still occupied because they like it. - They like occupying that. - We're trying to remove Netanyahu. And then there was a horrific terrorist attack. They brought him back like four times. Yeah. Look. Yeah, he's he's not he's not a partner for peace. I agree with that 100%. He was funding Hamas to help make sure there was not peace. [00:20:56] That happens. That is true. But now we're in a reality that is now very hard to unwind unless some concrete solution is offered, not just simply telling one side we know the other side is terrorists, and so we have to just give it in. No, don't give in. 67 borders and occupation. [00:21:13] Occupation is a core evil. And if you don't end the occupation, I would do it unilaterally here. 67 borders. Good luck. You guys are sovereign now. You can have your own police, military, do whatever you like. You cross over and then we come and obliterate you. Okay, but they made a peace deal with Egypt. [00:21:28] Do a peace deal. It's not that complicated, Israel. You have got to let them go. We all want to go to Israel. We want Israel to be a beautiful, safe place filled with loving people, which it which it is. But we can't go and we can't root for you, and we can't do any of these things. [00:21:44] If you kill citizens at this enormous rate and never give any hope to those Palestinians and then go, They should know that they defeated. They should know that they are going to stay occupied for the rest of time because they're savages, savages. They can't ever have peace. They're always doing violence. [00:22:00] We're going to occupy them for another 50 again. They're not occupied. And the savages are the leadership that is holding them hostage. - The Palestinians. - You know what? Israeli leadership are also savages. And at this point, they've been seven times as savage as Hamas, [00:22:16] which, if I'm an Israeli citizen, I'm sickened by that fact. The numbers are horrible and it's in self-defense. And, you know, that's a different you know, that's. A big difference. Yeah, yeah. There was so much more to this story. We don't have time to get to it now. But I'll just briefly summarize as a reminder, not just are the leadership of the Palestinian people in Gaza, the terrorist organization Hamas, they are [00:22:34] backed by one of America's enemies, Iran. And they just again celebrated annually, as they do the other day, the 1979 taking of Americans hostage at the US embassy. And there were the chants, Death to America, death to Israel by the [00:22:50] people that sponsor the suicide attackers and the terrorists in in the Palestinian territories paid for by Iran. And who was speaking at that rally was one of the leaders of Hamas, the envoy of Hamas to Iran in his official office and official capacity. And those are the people that are funding that people are siding with and acting as [00:23:09] though just tell Israel to deal with it. Deal with it. No. How about get the world community to stop funding terror and actually be a true partner for peace? So this time, when it is offered, perhaps they will take the offer and not dwell in the past forever, because everyone's past is very painful. [00:23:25] In this scenario, the only way forward is to move forward. Iran does fund Hamas. I despise the leadership of the Iranian government, their mullahs, and they would kill me in a second for being an apostate. I got no interest in them. But that doesn't mean that we should increase hostilities, do get back into a [00:23:42] peace that we had a peace deal with Iran. We had a peace deal. But the idiot Donald Trump pulled us out of it to start more conflict. And then, hey, look, Iran, which funds Hamas, all of a sudden Hamas attacks because they're pissed. And by the way, screw them for chanting Death to America, but nevertheless [00:24:00] understand where that came from, because we did a coup of their democratically elected government, we we got rid of them and we put in a Shah that stole all their natural resources and gave it to our corporations. Do you think they're chanting Death to America out of nowhere just because they despise us for no reason? [00:24:17] Native Americans don't chant death to America and we did all the exact same thing to them. But that's why you have to have a peace deal. - Mark. - Last word. Well, I just think that on the Iran thing, it is that they hate the West Bank. I mean, I don't know even that anybody chanting Death to America in Iran right now is necessarily responding to what you've correctly pointed out [00:24:36] was the was the installation of the Shah and the removal of somebody who was democratically elected. I also think we have to be a little careful about the rhetoric. We can get a little too caught up in the momentum, and the rhetoric can deny certain facts. And even I noticed when you guys going back and forth, all [00:24:53] of a sudden we're starting to say things. I know I'm not saying that they're indefensible, but I'm saying some of the rhetoric is a contagion. And before you know it, I'm seeing it on college campuses, and I'm seeing the rise of anti-Semitism and of an anti-Muslim sentiment that I think is response to a lot of the rhetoric that's around right now. [00:25:10] Those are sort of some general. Comments. But but wow. It's an ugly situation. Every which way. Guys. Huge emotions here as you can tell, and different perspectives. - I did not notice that. - But but that's okay. As as heated as things get and as upset as we get about the policies and the issues, [00:25:27] we have to have the conversations so we can get to a better place. So I appreciate Ben for participating and being forceful with his perspective. I appreciate Mark for what he does. So let's come back and let's do it again. Thanks for watching the video, guys. We also love it if you hit the join button below, because that makes you a member. [00:25:45] And members allow us to be independent, honest. We can be as progressive as we want, no corporate media influence. And that's all because of you guys. We love doing the show with our members. Hit the join button. Become one of the Young Turks.