Before we discuss this topic, I do want to let you know, give you a content warning that involves not only a death by a shooting, but of a child, in fact, a ten year old boy who was shot and killed by another ten year old child. This is in Sacramento, California, it happened over the course of this weekend. [00:00:19] Keith Frierson, who you can see in this photo is the ten year old who was shot and killed. Just the most heart wrenching tragedy, and every extra detail is just going to make it worse. But you do need to know that he was riding his bike, he had gotten the bike for [00:00:35] Christmas and was out riding it. His six year old brother apparently found him just heart wrenching, imagining the loss, the trauma to the six year old, how the parents must be feeling. And again, every extra detail is just gonna make it worse. [00:00:54] So the ten year old alleged shooter had gone into his dad's car to retrieve cigarettes for him and stumbled upon the gun. He apparently, quote, bragged that his father had a gun before firing off a shot and allegedly killing Keith Frierson. [00:01:10] The father apparently was a felon, wasn't legally allowed to own a gun, so an extra layer of just it being terrible. The gun had been stolen, apparently. And according to Brittany, the mother of the ten year old who died, all of this was over a lost bike race. [00:01:27] And then the last final detail that I need to throw out is that, there's allegations now that the 53 year old whose gun was used in the shooting apparently threw the gun in a garbage [00:01:42] can to try to cover up the crime, which is just so terrible. The idea that someone just lost their ten year old son. And it is, in a very real sense, your fault, you stole a gun, you just left it in your car, you sent your kid to get cigarettes from a place where a gun is. [00:02:03] And I understand that if you are responsible for that, you must be stunned, you must not know how to continue with your life. I don't know how you come to grips with that, but I know that the way that you do that is not by trying to cover up the crime and trying to deny the family that just lost their ten [00:02:20] year old at least an understanding of what happened and who was responsible for it. Nina, this is terrible in a way that few stories are. What do you make of this? >> Speaker 2: Yeah, just gut wrenching, obviously, and condolences to the family who lost their ten year old son. [00:02:38] I mean, I side deeply because this is a tragedy for both families. You got 2 ten year olds entangled, one is dead, another one was arrested. The parent was definitely irresponsible even if the parent wasn't an ex felon and not allowed to have a gun, this would still be tragic. [00:02:57] But it's a compounding factors. And then sending a ten year old to get your cigarettes you need to rethink your life right there. Anyway, but that would be the least of the worries if a ten year old had not shot another ten year old. It really is out of the natural order of things, as we expect Mother Nature to work [00:03:15] normally, which is parents not burying their children, but the other way around. And so the family who lost a ten year old, they will never be the same, the six year old brother will never be the same. And the family who had to witness their ten year old son, grandson, [00:03:32] nephew be arrested, they'll never be the same again either. >> Speaker 1: And the ten year old who fired the shot will never be the same. The ten year old did it is technically responsible, but only to the extent that a child can be the child. [00:03:49] They don't have an understanding of the consequences of this. Should have never been put in a position where they would have access to a weapon like that. But that is now the story of their life, thanks to the irresponsibility of the parent. And I understand that you can go and you can find a story where, [00:04:09] wasn't it good news that there was a gun around? But it is so exceedingly rare. And so many stories, just constantly, we don't even see them all, but they're out there of, if only there hadn't been a gun, everything would be different. [00:04:27] So many lives would be infinitely better. But no, there happened to be a gun and now it has ruined so many lives and we just see that story over and over and over again. And so I'm not gonna be able to get through to a lot of people, but [00:04:44] I know some people just. It is not a small thing, to introduce into an environment, whether a car or a home, a deadly weapon. And obviously, objectively, there are a lot of people who enter into that without [00:04:59] properly thinking about the consequences of it. And now, this story would have devastated me before, but Nina, now having a child, it hits you an extra way, because I think about those parents who spent ten years raising their son, and to have that taken away in an instant, [00:05:18] totally needlessly, my heart goes out to them so much right now because I don't know how they continue after what just happened to them. And it all happened because somebody had to have a gun around. So consider if you're out there and you have one consider whether you [00:05:35] actually need the gun and consider whether the risk to you, your family members, your loved ones, your friends, is worth the continued presence of the gun. >> Speaker 2: And if you have to have it, lock it up, just lock it up, for God's sakes. Please, for the love of God. [00:05:50] The person probably forgot they had the gun in the car. They probably just innocently forgot, which is my guess. But when you have a weapon, you have a greater responsibility. That gun should have been in the lockbox, I mean, any random adult. [00:06:05] What if the car had been stolen, for God's sakes? Anything could happen with a weapon just laying around like that. So, yeah, John, this is gut wrenching. I mean, I think about my son, who's a grown man, and I couldn't even, I don't want to bury him, I want him to bury me. [00:06:22] So all parents, I'm sure, is filling the crush and blow to what just happened to this ten year old. It did not have to happen, it should not have happened. But here we are. And this won't be the only one, John, there'll be other stories, just like there was. >> Speaker 1: There was a story of a shooting over presents, like, [00:06:39] literally on Christmas. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, my brother was telling me about that. >> Speaker 1: Just having the gun, and by the way, hopefully it buries you many, many years in the future, let me just throw that out there for the universe. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, yes >> Speaker 1: But also in a world where it is possible to just forget where your deadly weapon is. [00:06:59] And we live in that world. He forgot that it was in the car. School resource officers leave their gun on the tank of toilets, things like that. That's the world we live in. It is a world where it is insane that discussions of, like, hey, maybe you have, like, fingerprint access to the gun is instantly shot down. [00:07:18] Like, just basic safety features that could literally save lives. You're not allowed to even talk about them. You're a tyrant if you suggest that someone should be the only person who can fire their firearm. Anyway, just devastated for this family, don't know what's going to happen, [00:07:33] but I would love to be able to go a couple of months in America without hearing something like this. [MUSIC]