I had some time before my drink was ready. So I went there and I said, oh, can I. Can I have six pierogi? And he said, no. I said, oh, you've run out of pierogi. Too bad. No, no, no, we have plenty of pierogi. I just won't sell them to you. [00:00:16] What do you mean you won't sell them to me? I won't sell them to you because I don't approve of your politics. Ladies and gentlemen, not all heroes wear capes. Some of them happen to be pierogi vendors at Martha's Vineyard. [00:00:31] And, one vendor in particular apparently finds Alan Dershowitz and his politics so loathsome that he refused to serve the lawyer who has, defended the idea in an op ed of legalizing statutory rape. [00:00:47] I'm not kidding. You can look it up for yourselves. The guy who defended all sorts of horrible people, including Harvey Weinstein, OJ Simpson, you get the point. And so Dershowitz is now threatening to sue. Dershowitz says that he went to the farmers market at Martha's Vineyard, [00:01:07] and while he was waiting for a freshly squeezed orange juice, he noticed that there was a pierogi stand. He loves pierogies. He wanted to get a snack, and that's when it took a turn. Take a look. When he was making it, I walked across the area and there was the pierogi place. [00:01:25] The pierogi place where you could get the kind of things my grandmother made. Pierogis. They're Ukrainian. Russian, delicacies. And I had gone there a few times before, and I bought the properties. They were okay. They were not my grandmother's properties, but they were okay. [00:01:42] And, had some time before my drink was ready. So I went there and I said, oh, can I can I have six pierogi? And he said, no. I said, oh, you've run out of pierogi. Too bad. No, no, no, we have plenty of pierogi. I just won't sell them to you. [00:01:58] What do you mean you won't sell them to me? I won't sell them to you because I don't approve of your politics. I don't approve of who you've represented. I don't approve of who you support. I said, what is it about my politics that you don't? I'm not going to tell you. I just don't like your your politics. [00:02:17] All right. I think that that is totally fine. Now, look, Kate, I know a lot of people don't like my politics, and that's okay. Am I going to go around and sue them if they refuse to sell me a dumpling? Probably not. I think I have better things to do with my time. But I don't know. What are your thoughts? [00:02:33] Do you think it's fair to refuse service if the individual attempting to buy something from a business, has disgusting politics that the business doesn't like? Yeah, I think it's fair. I mean, I feel like this is a slippery slope kind of thing. [00:02:51] Like, do I want everyone refusing everyone else service because they disagree with them on certain things? No, but it's legal. So I don't know what I mean. There's no shot that he's going to win any sort of lawsuit that he brings against this guy. [00:03:08] I mean, I understand why people might be uncomfortable with something like that, but like, I'm okay with someone refusing to serve, you know, a person who voluntarily defended some of the most loathsome people in this country's history, like Jeffrey Epstein. [00:03:24] Like, yeah, he's not a public defender. He didn't have to do that. So, you know, that's so true. - Yeah. - He has to go a day without a pierogi. I'm not going to shed any tears for him. Same. Absolutely. Now, despite the vendor stating plainly, clearly he disagreed [00:03:44] with Dershowitz's politics. And that was the motivating factor in denying him service. Dershowitz thinks that there's something else at play, so let's hear him out. The clear implication was that he opposed me because I defended Donald Trump [00:04:00] on the floor of the Senate. I was a Zionist. I noticed the week before I went there and I was wearing my other shirt. I wasn't wearing my farmer's market shirt. I was wearing proud American Zionist shirt, proud American Zionist, Enzymes red, white and blue. [00:04:15] And I recall that he looked at it strangely, but I didn't talk to him. But it became evident to me that he opposed my being a Zionist, my support for Israel. He opposed. He thinks I'm a, you know, a down the line Trump supporter. Obviously, I supported President Trump's constitutional rights. [00:04:34] I said to him, you know, there's a law in Massachusetts you can't refuse to serve people on the basis of race. You couldn't say, I don't serve black people. You couldn't say, I don't serve gay people. You couldn't say, I don't serve Jews or Catholics. And I don't think you can really say and you shouldn't say I don't serve people [00:04:53] whose politics I disagree with. I don't serve Republicans or I don't serve Zionists. But the, vendor actually does have the right to refuse service if he doesn't like Zionists. And a creepy looking dude wearing a massive pro-zionist sweater or t shirt [00:05:13] approaches and wants to buy a pierogi. Believe it or not, that is, totally okay in Massachusetts. Zionism isn't a race, and it's nothing more than an ideology. So, people can not like an ideology and refuse service based on an individual [00:05:30] supporting said ideology. And that's what happened here. I don't think it has anything to do with him voting for Trump. I don't like, I'm sure plenty of people who shop at the Martha's Vineyard Farmers Market have voted for Trump. I think it probably did have something to do with the fact [00:05:48] that Dershowitz is a public figure. People know what he stands for. People know who he has defended in a court of law. And yeah, the vendor might have also had a problem with the, pro-zionist outfit that Dershowitz was wearing. Maybe he should have opted for his farmer's market outfit. [00:06:05] You know, the traditional farmers market shirt he likes to wear. But look, I the thing about Dershowitz that annoys me the most is that he threatens to sue everybody. He threatened to sue us. And you know what we said. [00:06:23] Do it. He was mad that I had, referenced his, comments in the past. Basically, I said something along the lines of, it's not like you, seem to have much concern for children given your past. [00:06:38] I said something like that. He's like, I'm gonna sue. I'm gonna sue. And to Jake's credit, he's like, okay, do it. Discovery is going to be real fun. And he dropped it. Yeah. I mean, he's just, like, the epitome of a person who has, like, all the privilege in the world but perpetually sees himself as a victim and will do anything [00:06:59] if he's, like, slightly offended. He just thinks that, you know, he's too important. Like, people can't say anything bad about him or he's going to sue them. And just the cherry on top is that it all happened on Martha's Vineyard. Honestly, I know, I know. And it reminded me of a story that I remember. [00:07:17] The New York Times reported back in 2018 about how all of his friends on Martha's Vineyard were like ditching him. And in the headline of the piece was On Martha's Vineyard A frosty Summer for Alan Dershowitz. Oh my God. [00:07:32] And for that, in that piece, he was quoted and he said, I never thought I would see McCarthyism come to Martha's Vineyard, but I have. Right, right. Right, right. And I'm just I mean, bro, you defended the worst people on the planet. Like, I think it's valid for people to not want [00:07:49] to associate with you for that alone. For that alone. I mean, and like, I understand he's trying to make the connection between, you know, Zionism and his Judaism so that that maybe applies to the law saying you can't discriminate against someone for their religion. [00:08:04] But there's two issues with that. First, being Zionism is not a religion. So like it's a nationalist political movement. So that's already an issue. And he is completely guessing the guy didn't actually say anything about Zionism. [00:08:21] He was he's guessing that the guy the week before saw him in a shirt that he didn't like and then remembered that it was him, and then the following week didn't serve him. - I know. - Because of the shirt. Come on. Come on. [00:08:36] Do you actually think a judge is going to say that? That's a valid argument? There's no indication that that's why the guy didn't serve him. - Look, I mean. - The privilege is mind blowing. The privilege is mind blowing. I'd be shocked if he actually filed a lawsuit. But if he does, there's no merit there at all. [00:08:53] And he probably knows that. I mean, I don't know. Dershowitz is a creep. Who knows, who knows what he's up to or what he'll actually do. I don't think that he'd win that lawsuit. But the final thing I'll say is, you know, when you're a public figure, [00:09:09] you experience life just like anyone else does, and you experience conflict like anyone else does. Sometimes more conflict if you're a public figure, but nonetheless, like just daily annoyances or little baby conflicts that happen. Like, there's a woman in my neighborhood who has a big dog and she's [00:09:27] like kind of elderly and can't control it. So she literally screams at people at her at the top of her lungs to cross the street if they're coming near her. And I hate that woman. Like, deeply hate that woman. You're the one with the dog that you can't control. [00:09:42] The onus is on. We have, fights on a regular basis. Okay? Like the idea that I would put together, like, a lengthy stream where I'm, like, highlighting it and talking about how I'm going to sue her. Like, people have other things to do with their lives. They don't need to hear about your stupid little drama [00:10:00] at Martha's Martha's Vineyard, but it goes to like the sense of entitlement. And it goes to this like narcissism. Like she thinks he's so important that everyone wants to hear about how he was wronged at the farmer's market. It's like no one cares about you. I would be shocked if anyone actually even likes you, and he needs to realize [00:10:19] that the world would be a better place if you realized that, but something tells me he's too up his own ass to even notice what the world thinks about Alan Dershowitz. Every time you ring the bell below, an angel gets his wings. Totally not true, but it does keep you updated on our live shows.