Senator Bernie Sanders. He says that he has suggested that party leadership abandoned the working class. What's the white House response? I respectfully disagree with the senator, and I think you can talk to unions. You could see the jobs that we've been able to create to disprove that. [00:00:19] And this is a president that cares certainly about the people who do get forgotten, the people who are not able to make ends meet. So how dare Bernie Sanders point out that the Democrats keep trying this, and barring a pandemic, it never works. [00:00:35] But he's definitely to blame. So anyway, he's trying to help the Democrats. That's literally all Bernie Sanders has ever done, is to try to get the Democrats heads out of their own behinds for just long enough to win an election. But as always, he's going to be attacked. [00:00:52] Him and progressives, it's a favorite hobby of the ruling class. Blame the progressives when the progressives have literally never had a nominee of their own. Here is what Bernie Sanders said that is leading to so much scorn. He said it should come as no great surprise that a Democratic party, [00:01:08] which has abandoned working class people, would find that the working class has abandoned them. First it was the white working class and now it is Latino and black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo. The American people are angry and want change and their right. Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the [00:01:24] Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful oligarchy, which has so much economic and political power? Probably not. [00:01:39] And look, we can have a conversation about stances that Harris took or things that Biden passed or tried to pass. And you can you can question whether abandoned is exactly the right word. But he's definitely on to something. [00:01:56] And, you know, coming out of the results of Tuesday, the fact that there's not even an attempt to pretend to be willing to hear him out or learn anything in advance of the next election. I find that to be very frustrating. And as we go to discuss this, why don't we bring up a breakdown of income brackets [00:02:13] broken down by vote from 2020 to 2024? And you can see that people making less than $50,000 a year switched fairly significantly towards Donald Trump. And if you believe that this is an election which was fundamentally [00:02:29] about an assessment of whether Biden had delivered and whether the current financial status quo that people were experiencing was tenable. That chart seems to indicate that no, people who are suffering the most gave it a try. They they sent Biden to the white House, and they just didn't think [00:02:47] that he'd done enough. Yeah. So a couple of things here. First, I want to address the core of the issue, which is the fundamental misunderstanding and miscommunication between the different branches of the Democratic Party. So you've got the establishment wing represented by every Democratic politician [00:03:07] outside of about a handful of people, obviously not including Bernie Sanders. You've got every pundit on television like I think literally everyone. Right. And and then you've got the populist swing, right? The Bernie Sanders 2016 wing. And so but beyond the wings, you also have the American people that are in that [00:03:27] Bernie 2016 wing, because for a reason. I'm going to explain in a second. So for the folks that are in the establishment, they're generally are doing really well, whether they're on television, they're Democratic politician, etcetera, or they're just mainstream Democratic voters and they're upper middle class. [00:03:43] So when the Joe Biden's and the Barack Obama's of the world give them 5 to 10% change, they're like, oh, this is amazing. Our lives are already fantastic. And these beautiful people have given us another 10% positive change. What else can people ask for but they can't understand [00:04:02] that the majority of Americans think the same thing Bernie did in 2016, which is, wait, I need like 50 to 100% change because I'm not doing spectacularly well. I can't afford a home when my parents did. I'm having trouble paying the rent to begin with, a student debt crushing me. [00:04:22] I can't leave my job because I need the health care from the job, otherwise I might lose a family member. Like corporate rule is crunching 60% of the country that lives paycheck to paycheck and can't, you know, handle a small financial blip. [00:04:41] So that's why the two sides don't understand each other, like the people in the establishment are like, oh my God, you ungrateful, progressive populist. What is wrong with you people? I mean, what do we have to give you? 11% change, right? Where is the other side's going? [00:04:56] Brother, you took $15 minimum wage out of the first bill on the first day. So what part of that was trying? You didn't lift a finger for paid family leave? You didn't even propose public option. You didn't propose the Pro act, which is the union bill. You didn't do any of these things. And you want a pat on the back. [00:05:14] You think you represented the working class. Look, I love that Bernie's back. I hated the four years he was in hibernation where he was had the wrong, wrong strategy. And as much as we love the brother, I called him out on it. And then we burn bridges because our job is to be honest with you guys. [00:05:33] So this idea of, like, bear hugging Biden and hoping that it was literally in the Progressive Caucus, it was literally called the Trust Biden strategy. And I told you guys here on the show, and I'm sure tons of you remember it, the world's worst political strategy. [00:05:50] It just totally, fundamentally misunderstands politics, where you have to build leverage and then use leverage. If you don't use your leverage and you just trust someone to do the right thing. You're giving the game away. So they trusted Biden to give us 11% and then he gave us 9%. [00:06:07] No, this none of this matters. You have to go and actually do something really aggressive to help the American people who need a lot of change. And then and the thing is, I'm glad Bernie's back in fighting the good fight and calling out the Democrats after with the terrible, [00:06:24] failed strategy of trusting Biden. But, guys, these corporate Democrats are never, ever, ever going to turn around because they're not on our team. They they their consultant class takes 15% of all the money they raise. [00:06:40] That is why they care so much more about raising donor money and pleasing the donors than actually literally winning elections. Our priorities to win elections, their priorities to raise as much money as possible so they could buy a larger house in Fairfax, Virginia. [00:06:55] Was for the for the viewers out there, what you just heard from the quote from Bernie that John read to us, and the young Haitian lady who is Biden's press secretary are two opposing views of what has happened. [00:07:14] One of them has to be right. You have Bernie's view, which is that working class, non-college educated Americans, literally, he said it started with the whites, which is true because people don't remember this. But Barry won the white working class in a majority. [00:07:30] That actually freaking happened. Right. Started with them, but now they're they're leaking Hispanic, working class Latin, whatever we're calling it black people in the working, the working class, just general. And they're leaking them because that class of Americans is intuited that the [00:07:49] Democrats aren't doing anything for them. That's one theory of the case. The other theory of the case, posited by and represented by the press secretary, which I'm sure is the view of every single establishment Democrat in existence. Is that no, the Democrats actually have delivered in droves for these folks, [00:08:09] but they're too stupid to racist, too sexist to frothing at the mouth knuckle dragging Neanderthals to realize it. You guys tell me which one you think is true. I got to say, I think that was his description of that is exactly right. [00:08:26] If you think that they don't think that way, you're wrong. They do. They're they're so elitist and they don't realize it when you tell them about elitism, like when you ask a fish about the water and he says, what water? They go, what elitism. Like, I mean, you guys are all racist, sexist, Neanderthals. [00:08:43] So I don't know what, elitism you're talking about. Of course I didn't have to deliver for you. You had to deliver for me. I don't know what elitism you're talking about. A couple of bits, at least from my point of view of good news, is that you was just sketched out those two different potential explanations. [00:09:00] The answer is kind of the same whichever you think it is, whether they're too racist or sexist or whatever to see it, the answer is still to deliver more until they see it. And look, I do think some people are driven by that sort of stuff, but I also think that when people are put in difficult economic circumstances, that's [00:09:18] how some people are going to lash out. I think that's one of the reasons that a lot of young men are starting to dabble in fascism is a sense of hopelessness. I think it's terrible. I don't want to see it, but I think that this is historically the answer, and not just in the United States context. I also think one other bit of good news for everyone is that the Democrats [00:09:36] are going to have another chance very soon to see if they can get it, because people threw Trump out because they felt that he hadn't delivered for them. Then they threw Biden out because they didn't think that he delivered for him. Donald Trump definitely is not going to deliver for them. [00:09:52] He is going to wreck their finances with tariffs. He's going to hand trillions of dollars to the richest people in the country. We are going to descend into daily chaos and drama that is going to drive everyone absolutely insane. And so in the next couple of years, let's see, people are going to be ready [00:10:07] to throw him out once again because they're not going to be any better off. The only question is, will Democrats finally get the answer or right now, will one of the Democratic governors that's plotting how they can run on a return to normalcy in two and a half years will be able to just, like, barely squeak [00:10:24] by where Kamala came up short. And I just want to remind everyone, in the cases where Democrats have won, how did they win? How did they get in? Like we know with the hindsight of how Joe Biden was Barr, he did a couple of good things. Like he tried to cancel student loan debt. A few other things. [00:10:40] But we know that what he delivered was not much. And we look back on Obama and he really did not make good on the promises that he made when he ran. But he got elected on those promises. People found them to be very, very appealing. As was pointed out, the white working class is like, hell yes, give me that. [00:10:57] And they were willing to vote for a black candidate. And, you know, I definitely look, people are breaking down the misogyny of different groups. I definitely think that that's a part of this. But like the same Latino men who seem to have rejected Harris voted for Clinton at far higher rates just eight years ago, 31%. [00:11:17] And she was a woman, too. And so it's not to say that that all of these are factors and all of them intersect, but the answer still seems to be you have to deliver, you have to make promises and you have to deliver on them. Yeah. So let me give credit to two different people here. [00:11:33] So yesterday we were talking about how Hillary Clinton won Latino men by 31%, 31 points, and Kamala Harris lost them, startling how sexist they became in eight years. Okay. And then Edwin made a terrific point, which I stole on the show yesterday. [00:11:50] But I'm going to give him credit now. He's like the president of Mexico is a woman. What are we talking about here? This is absurd, right? I mean, really. But and also if we're going to go with the stereotypes that they're now using, it's that the Mex, these Latinos are hyper Christian and hyper sexist. [00:12:10] She's Jewish guys. It's a Jewish woman who the Mexican people elected. So this stereotype of Latino people, hot blooded, they can't stand women. They're so crazy for Jesus. They elected a Jewish person. [00:12:27] I'm sorry. This is ridiculous. - I do. - Want to say, look, that's. A great point. I hadn't thought of that either. I didn't even know that. I do want to say. And maybe I'm different from both of you. I do think that some of these things are factors. I do think that I mean, you can look at how people are celebrating online. [00:12:43] I think that misogyny, I think that racism, I think that I think these are factors. I just don't think they're the largest factor. And I also don't think even if you think that is a thing, how do you directly change that? Like, how do you like if you think it's 10 million people are voting purely based on misogyny. [00:12:59] Well, that's very hard to fix, but you can fix the other big chunk that votes on the economy or votes on their personal finances. Like, again, the diagnosis, I think, is interesting and necessary, but I don't think the solution is all that complex. [00:13:15] Yeah. So, John, I'll answer your question. I'm absolutely positive about is this is there some misogyny and racism and sexism in the country that would have prevented Kamala Harris from getting some votes? Of course. Were those people likely to be on the fence, or were they [00:13:31] always going to vote for Donald Trump? They're less likely to be on the fence, right? And so why that Hillary Clinton stat is indisputable. If Latino men are sexist, why did they favor Hillary Clinton by 31 points? No, obviously that's not what changed. [00:13:48] That factor maybe is a constant and maybe it's a certain percentage. Right. But it's obviously not the biggest percentage. I'm talking about all the racism, sexism, etc. And it obviously didn't hurt Hillary Clinton with that exact demographic at all. [00:14:06] But Kamala Harris lost that demographic. You shouldn't be blaming the demographic. You should be blaming the candidate and the party that lost those people. It couldn't be. You see what I'm saying, John? If it was Latino men, sexism, then did they really get preposterously [00:14:23] sexist over the last eight years? It's it's not that. I mean, that's not what I'm saying. These, these. No, I'm. Saying that's why it can't be the largest. Factor. Yeah, yeah. And again, the only really fast I just want to say, because I know a lot of people like, like I've spoken to multiple, like multiple women who've been like, [00:14:40] no, I'm not surprised by this. This is a thing. It exists. So I'm not going to try to deny that. But I do agree that it is a thing. And it was it was also a thing with Clinton. That's that is a part of it. And to the extent that culturally it can be fought back against, I think it should. I think it's super hard for a candidate inside of a presidential election [00:14:58] to fix that, which is why, you know, do what you can in that area. But I think the large group that are more persuadable are persuadable on other things. I got more. I think, I think the last thing I'll say about this, I think what you guys are talking about is an elite liberal projection. [00:15:17] The people who literally refer to folks will refer to an individual as a cis gendered white male, straight like, literally micro freaking identities assigned to a person. [00:15:33] The people who live that ideology are now projecting that on the electorate. People don't see the world that way. People don't see themselves as a Latin male, straight person first, [00:15:48] and then go out and apply that to every single thing they encounter in the world. Meaning Kamala Harris is an Indian black straight man, interracial like people don't view the world that way. Yes, I'm sure there are individual people out there who, like, [00:16:04] I will never cast my vote for a woman, or I will never cast my vote for a white person, but or a black person. Excuse me, but this idea that voters are this identitarian, I think is a projection. They're just not. [00:16:20] And I think the Latin vote should just teach people about this, because if that's what it was, it's like, well, you're Latin and Donald Trump clearly hates Latin people. How the hell are you doing this? That's not how they view this thing. That's how elite liberals view everything. [00:16:36] Well, look, that might be for some elite liberals, I would say. I think there's there's always there always tends to be a lot more focus on how Democrats play identity politics than Republicans. A lot of Trump's campaigning implied to me that either he or his campaign infrastructure sure thought there was something that they could play with [00:16:52] with these different groups. I mean, the fact that they targeted like trans people with more ads than literally anything else implies to them that they don't think that the economy is the only battleground that they want to wage war on. They were trying to make explicit appeals to men because they thought that there was something there. They clearly thought that breaking down the general American voters into [00:17:11] different demographic slices had some sort of pragmatic political advantage to them. Yeah. No, no. Of course, Republicans play identity politics, too. But guys, look, if you offer people a campaign and policies, etc., a theme that they like and love, they're going to vote for you. [00:17:28] It's not that complicated. So I mean, look. So Barack Obama was black. All right. So and he had an 83% approval rating during his first inauguration. So apparently the country was okay with it to some degree. His middle name is Hussein Barack Hussein Obama. I don't there isn't any more group that's more hated than Muslims in this country. [00:17:45] And he still won twice. He still had 83%. It's to the point we were making, in Mexico, they have a Jewish female president. So why does she win? And she won easily. She won crushingly. Why? Because she had a really popular economic plan, which is [00:18:01] very similar to Bernie Sanders plan. Right. And so, look, there is a female prime minister of Turkey, and I don't think anybody's got a, you know, anything on on us on machismo. Okay. And so if the, you know, mustache twirling Turks can have a female prime minister, [00:18:20] it's because she said things that were popular and people liked. And so what I'm worried about, John, isn't that acknowledging that the misogyny and racism exists. Of course they do. And of course they affect some people, but I'm worried that people are using it as an excuse. [00:18:35] Okay. Like, oh, we don't have to change anything. And we didn't do anything wrong. And and Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and all these and Hillary Clinton are gold. It's just that the voters are sexist and racist and it's their fault. No, that's just an excuse. And you're just trying to cope. [00:18:52] So. Look here, I'll read a couple of things here. And David doesn't agree. Some of our members, David says you guys are, I have black friends defending these people. David, I don't know what that means. Once you got black friends. I don't I don't, I don't, I just, I it's it's got nothing to do with [00:19:10] the people that they're friends with. I just don't think people most people move through the world interacting with people and hyper breaking them down into their individual identity groups, and they don't conceive of themselves that way. [00:19:26] That's not how they move through the world. - That's just how we talk on Twitter. - Yeah. I mean, look, I have black friends. Was is black I don't know brown friends. I am brown okay. Anyway, so dirge said Trump and Obama both won running on change. [00:19:43] Democrats do not want to learn that lesson. Exactly right. Love how smart our members are. And last one for now is progressive, Ossie said. And by the way, guys, hit the join button below. Be part of the show. I love how smart these comments are. Or actually we got 20% off on Titcomb if you want today. [00:20:00] Progressive also said politics is no different than sales. If you don't offer a compelling message to the buyer, they won't buy. You can't blame the buyer for not buying. If you don't change your message, your business goes under. Sales 101. Ding ding ding ding ding. We have a winner. [00:20:16] Yeah. And everyone should bear in mind, like Barack Obama got elected after two terms of George. Like, honestly, it's something I've been thinking a lot about. George W Bush got elected by the narrowest margin, literally. He didn't even really win. He just got to win anyway. Disastrous presidency, the Patriot Act and tax cuts for the rich [00:20:34] and led us into disastrous wars and then somehow got reelected. And it was super dark times. I remember I was in college and then Barack Obama ran. And by the way, Barack Obama, I mean, even in his second term, but especially in his first, he pulled way more votes in the Electoral College than Donald Trump had a way [00:20:51] bigger advantage in the popular vote. I know everybody is racing to call Donald Trump's win a landslide. Inside. It's nothing compared to what Barack Obama was able to do. Hell, he's going to have within a couple electoral college votes of Joe Biden, a win that nobody called a landslide. And Joe Biden definitely will have a way bigger lead in the popular vote. [00:21:09] And so, yeah, look, again, all I've been advocating in terms of solutions is running in the model of those of Bernie Sanders, of Barack Obama, of even kind of Joe Biden in 2020, when he portrayed himself as a progressive who was going to shake things up. That is what people have found appealing. [00:21:25] That is what people have backed historically. 2016, Bernie. It was a winning formula. We had it. Bernie was up by 12 against Trump on Election day. Yeah, a campaign might have knocked a couple of points off, but it would have knocked a couple of points off of Trump too. [00:21:41] Look, I think somebody online said this in regards to one of my tweets is so true. Left wing populism is the answer to right wing nationalism. So we've got to get there immediately. And do not listen to establishment Democrats who are going to tell you, no, no, no, this time we got it. [00:21:58] This time we're going to pick someone even more corporate and that will solve everything. - They're going to do. - You know they're going to do it. That's what they're going to do. They're going to say, we need to be more Republican. That's going to be there, by the way. Guys need to be Republican lite. [00:22:13] They're not going to say that. They're saying it on TV right now. And at least this time we technically definitely get to have a primary. I mean, it's going to be biased in all the ways that it always is, but at least this time they kind of have to at least let us have a primary. The party of democracy. [00:22:29] Everybody knows they love democracy, y'all. Thanks for watching The Young Turks. Really appreciate it. Another way to show support is through YouTube memberships. You'll get to interact with us more. There's live chat emojis, badges. You've got emojis of me Anna John Jr. So those are super fun. 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